Do you call this one down?

[RunDownHouse]

Oh sorry, I thought you were making a general statement, not referring to this specific hand. My fault, I agree completely in this case.

[Jukep]

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Right, but why would you peel with 99? You have two outs if behind and a villian who will almost always bet the turn. You need to fold the flop or say "see you at the river".

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I call this down hoping the villain doesn't improve, not hoping I will improve. So, if an ace or a king or a third club hits, I'll re-evaluate my call down decision on the turn.

[MicroBob]

This was a slightly confusing read at first.

subject line says "Do you call this one down?"

Then in the original post he asks, "Time to give up already?"

And then a couple people respond, "Yes"

[danzasmack]

Hands like this you feel like an idiot when he has a Q and a genius when he doesn't.

I take this to showdown usually.

Think of what hands you would c/r on this flop.

Also, a play i make sometimes is 3bet the c/r and maybe free-showdown the turn or check the turn call the river. I think this line has a little bit of merit becaus some players MAY fold a weak queen, as we've shown a ton of strength the whole hand. + both lines make more when we hit our 2 outer and lose less when we go to showdown.

It's a suggestion to be debated.

[John Deere]

If someone's check-raising with a weak Q, I find it doubtful that they would then give it up for a 3-bet.

[danzasmack]

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If someone's check-raising with a weak Q, I find it doubtful that they would then give it up for a 3-bet.

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A c/r doesn't always mean you think you have a monster, esp. on the flop and esp. in a game where people will raise flop donks with overs a lot.

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Let's say you call, and another club falls on the turn. Still calling down?

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This question disturbs me because calling the flop and folding the turn is basically never right

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Not with a club, but without one it would be closer. Against certain opponents it could defenitely be correct to intend to call down unless a club comes, if we didn't have one.

[HitKing4192]

Showdown, here we come!! With this guy's stats I may fold if we're at a full (6-hand) table, but 4-handed I'm not going to get pushed around when one over hits.

I like 3-betting flop as I want people to know that when they throw a bet at me they're going to have to call another one as well.

Turn - bet "safe" card, check dangerous (AK maybe J)through and call river bet. If he donks dangerous turn I may give it up.

Caveat here is how he views you. If you've been playing as aggressively as you should, he can put you on a very wide range that his AK/AJ/88 etc is ahead of. If by some chance you've been a nit in a 4-handed game, respect him more and I take back what I said about showdown.