6MAX EDUCATION: Value Beting 101

[CaucasianAsian29]

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6MAX EDUCATION: Value Beting 101
6MAX EDUCATION: Blocking Bets 101
6MAX EDUCATION: Using Position 101
6MAX EDUCATION: Firing the Second Barrel 101
6MAX EDUCATION: Playing Mid Pairs 101
6MAX EDUCATION: Playing OPP 101
6MAX EDUCATION: Floating 101
6MAX EDUCATION: Peeling 101
6MAX EDUCATION: Thin Value Bets 101
6MAX EDUCATION: Smart Bluffs 101
6MAX EDUCATION: Using PAHud on the Turn/River 101
6MAX EDUCATION: ???? 101


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We kind of have these already-althought they are named something else. Each is posted under the master sticky and are usually in the form of a pooh-bah post.

[orange]

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how much should a value bet be on the river? 1/2 pot...PSB...3/4 pot?

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1/2-2/3rds pot generally works. its hard to bet more because any more would generally be a push.

[yad]

There are several important concepts you need to understand about value betting. I'll focus in this post on the river, as that's the simplest, but similar concepts apply to earlier streets as well.

1. You should value bet when you are beating the range of things that your opponent will call you with. It will often be the case that you are probably winning, but your opponent will only call you with a hand that beats yours. In these cases it is incorrect to value bet.

2. Sometimes people are afraid to value bet in situations where they might be beat. This can be a big leak. There are a lot of situations where you are OOP and considering value betting or check/calling. If you are going to c/c anyway, it is often better to just value bet. This is because villain will typically be betting all the hands that are beating anyway, and you have to call because villain could be bluffing and you are getting odds. So against hands that are beating you, value betting and check/calling will cost you the same amount. OTOH, villain will typically not bet with many of the hands that you're beating, but might call your bet. So value betting is better because you get more money when you're ahead, and lose the same when you're behind.

3. The obvious complication to the above is that if villain is more likely to bluff (or think he's value betting) with a hand that you beat than he is to call your value bet with a hand that you beat, you are better off check/calling.

4. Obviously all of the above gets even more complicated if villain is capable of bluff raising, but bluff raises on the river are almost nonexistant at SSNL.

5. As for bet sizing, you want to bet the amount that maximizes your EV. This is often counterintuitive. For example, say the board is QQJJ2. You have JJ. It is generally better to shove AI even if it is a huge overbet rather than VB smaller. The reason is that although you lose value when your opponent folds AA or KK, you win a lot more when he has a Q, and the overall value is generally greater (depending on the earlier action, of course). So generally you just have to use your head. The appropriate amount will vary a lot by villain, image, board, and previous action.

[bilbo-san]

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There are several important concepts you need to understand about value betting. I'll focus in this post on the river, as that's the simplest, but similar concepts apply to earlier streets as well.

1. You should value bet when you are beating the range of things that your opponent will call you with. It will often be the case that you are probably winning, but your opponent will only call you with a hand that beats yours. In these cases it is incorrect to value bet.

2. Sometimes people are afraid to value bet in situations where they might be beat. This can be a big leak. There are a lot of situations where you are OOP and considering value betting or check/calling. If you are going to c/c anyway, it is often better to just value bet. This is because villain will typically be betting all the hands that are beating anyway, and you have to call because villain could be bluffing and you are getting odds. So against hands that are beating you, value betting and check/calling will cost you the same amount. OTOH, villain will typically not bet with many of the hands that you're beating, but might call your bet. So value betting is better because you get more money when you're ahead, and lose the same when you're behind.

3. The obvious complication to the above is that if villain is more likely to bluff (or think he's value betting) with a hand that you beat than he is to call your value bet with a hand that you beat, you are better off check/calling.

4. Obviously all of the above gets even more complicated if villain is capable of bluff raising, but bluff raises on the river are almost nonexistant at SSNL.

5. As for bet sizing, you want to bet the amount that maximizes your EV. This is often counterintuitive. For example, say the board is QQJJ2. You have JJ. It is generally better to shove AI even if it is a huge overbet rather than VB smaller. The reason is that although you lose value when your opponent folds AA or KK, you win a lot more when he has a Q, and the overall value is generally greater (depending on the earlier action, of course). So generally you just have to use your head. The appropriate amount will vary a lot by villain, image, board, and previous action.

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I would just add that cases 2) and 3) interact in a very obvious way on drawy boards.

If a huge part of villains range is a draw, checking OOP is very often higher EV than betting, because opponents obviously won't call a bet with a busted draw, but may often bluff with it.

An example is when you hold AA and the flop was T93 with 2 hearts, and the turn and river were both blank rags. Villain might have a T, but far more often he has a heart draw, if he just called flop and turn bets.