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#11
10-06-2006, 05:27 PM
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Re: trips top kicker - river donk
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A raise to TT will get it to fold, as is likely AK or AQ and a raise to 99 will result in a 3 bet back to you in which case you are in a tough spot. [/ QUOTE ] It would be a very strange donkbet with a marginal hand here. Seems to be hes either got you beat 99 or less likely the straight or he's on a bluff. I think your raise only gets called when you lose. Especially early in the game I call here and make a note of what he shows. 
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#13
10-06-2006, 08:14 PM
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Re: trips top kicker - river donk
I think that villain would call us down with pretty pretty much any piece of the flop. The raise on the river has me a bit worried, he could have been calling us with a straight draw.
I would call and make a note, planning to exploit it big time if he is bluffing or betting something like a pair of 9s.
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#15
10-06-2006, 09:40 PM
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Re: trips top kicker - river donk
well..this is my first post but...
i think it is either a raise or a call! since i have seen people play various hands that donīt make any sense on even 2/4 i would even say a raise is good for value!in anycase i wouldnīt fold!
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#16
10-07-2006, 04:59 AM
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Re: trips top kicker - river donk
That's a very good first post sir. You're right. Villain's betting range (given his preflop looseness) indicates that folding is definitely wrong and that many fish love to bluff so much that a raise is marginal here. I think there's enough value in it to raise/call, especially as the pot gets larger because villain will have to call your raise more often with the worst hand.
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#17
10-07-2006, 10:48 AM
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Re: trips top kicker - river donk
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[ QUOTE ] Depends what I have seen him do on the river. Without reads, I raise this... [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ...A raise to TT will get it to fold, as is likely AK or AQ and a raise to 99 will result in a 3 bet back to you in which case you are in a tough spot. I call this and win up to 30 BB when I am ahead, but not less than 6 if we discount villian would act like this with the whiffed overcards, and lose 3 BB when I am behind to 99. [/ QUOTE ] i am confused by your post bruce [/ QUOTE ] My apologies. I tend to think (write) outloud rather than edit my final answer when I do these posts, which is why you see many of my posts with an edit assigned to it. My initial instinct told me to raise. Then I broke it down to what that does for me. If I raise the villian and he holds TT, AK, or AQ he will likely fold. That represents 30 hands, although I would really only give credit for TT being this desperate so that is 6 hands. He has 99 three ways. So... If I call and win, I could win up to 30 BB, but closer to 6 since it is not likely that he would bet with nothing. If I raise when I am ahead, he folds and I don't win any more bets. If I am behind, I lose 3 big bets when I call. I lose 6-9 big bets when I raise in this situation because if he reraises, I am almost forced to call to snap off any bluffs that he may attempt. Raising doesn't earn me anymore when I am ahead because with this hand range, he isn't going to call a raise. Calling is better in my opinion.
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#18
10-07-2006, 12:49 PM
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Re: trips top kicker - river donk
May be that I am wrong, but I would have folded this hand to a raise of a laggy player. But in the hand now I would definitely at least call. 88 is not very likely given the flop play. Another hand that beats me is QT (assuming that 33 is not a hand to raise with preflop). Would you expect a laggy player to raise this hand preflop? I would put villain on 99, because AsJs or KsJs are less likely given the turn play. Therefore a call should be the correct play.
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#20
10-07-2006, 01:07 PM
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Re: trips top kicker - river donk
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I disagree with your c/r suggestion on the river for 99. I would definitely bet out to prevent a busted draw to get out cheaply. [/ QUOTE ] OP bet the flop and the turn. OP is not in position to c/r. I don't understand. OP can't bet out the river because it has been bet for him.
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