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Old 01-30-2006, 01:16 AM
KaponoFor3 KaponoFor3 is offline
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Default AA played horribly... Tips on what went wrong?

50NL at Party. I sat down maybe three or four hands ago, haven't really seen much. I am in the SB, and am dealt AA (both red). After getting 4 callers of the BB, I raise in the SB from $.50 to $2.00. I get one caller in middle position, and the rest fold.

Flop is Kc, 9d, 8h. Pot is $4.50

I act first, throw out a bet of $5.00. Villian calls. At this point, I'm thinking KQ, AK, KJ, A9, A8.

Turn brings 10h, making the board Kc, 9d, 8h, 10h. Pot is about $14.00

From the SB, I bet $8.00. Villain raised to $20.

At this point, I'm thinking Villain is pushing AK, so I call.

River is Qs, making board Kc, 9d, 8h, 10h, Qs. Pot is approx $52.00

The Q scares me, as now any J hits a straight. I check, Villain checks.

What do you guys think Villain had? Any critiques on how I should play this differently on any street?

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Old 01-30-2006, 01:27 AM
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Default Re: AA played horribly... Tips on what went wrong?

Raise more pf, and your calculation of the pot is a little off, it's probably around $6 on the flop (I like your $5 bet). Folding the turn wouldn't be horrible but the price is pretty good (I doubt he had AK though). Be glad he checked behind on the river.
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Old 01-30-2006, 01:28 AM
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Default Re: AA played horribly... Tips on what went wrong?

I thought about folding the turn on the raise, but something told me he was pushing with AK -- cause it's the exact kind of raise I would make to see if my opponent really liked his hand.
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Old 01-30-2006, 01:31 AM
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Default Re: AA played horribly... Tips on what went wrong?

Raising more preflop is a definite, definite first step. The rule of thumb is 4xbb +1xbb for every limper. That will thin the field and will make the hand easier IMO. OK, so MP limp called a raise. As played, I like the flop bet, as long as it is consitant with other bets you made. On the turn, we are in a tough spot, I like the 8 dollar bet. Villian here has put in a real raise which is a better sign than a min raise, cause a no raise scares me more than a min-raise. I will probably call here and check call any safe river and check fold any nasty river. This qualifies as a nasty river. I personally smell KQ here, potentially KQh.
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Old 01-30-2006, 01:46 AM
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Default Re: AA played horribly... Tips on what went wrong?

EMC:

Thanks for the comments. I think a preflop raise of maybe $4 might have been more appropriate, as it would likely push the villain out.

Results:

Hero has AA, pair of aces
Villain has QJ, straight K to 9

So it ends up he had his straight on the turn -- as indicated by his raise. Am I way off in assuming this is how AK would play, because this is what I had him pegged on... either that or KQ or KJ.
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Old 01-30-2006, 01:49 AM
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Default Re: AA played horribly... Tips on what went wrong?

I think you're way off with AK, there's no way AK limps pf, smooth calls the flop and raises the turn.
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Old 01-30-2006, 01:53 AM
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Default Re: AA played horribly... Tips on what went wrong?

Fallen:

Why do you say that? What type of line do you see AK taking instead of what is done here?
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Old 01-30-2006, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: AA played horribly... Tips on what went wrong?

he probably raises pf (you didn't give an accurate hand history, but the only way I consider AK limping is if he's the 3rd or 4th limper). And generally players don't slowplay top pair top kicker.
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Old 01-30-2006, 02:20 AM
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Default Re: AA played horribly... Tips on what went wrong?

Wow... just had this hand, almost the exact same situation pre-flop. What do you guys think of this?

Once again, I am SB. Dealt AA -- both red again. 5 callers, this time I raise to $4.00. I get one caller from UTG+2, the rest fold.

Flop comes Kd, 6d, 3c. Pot is $9.00 (I think)

I lead out for $6.00, get straight called.

Turn 10s, board Kd, 6d, 3c, 10s. Pot is $21.00

I check, interested to see what Villain does. I'm thinking, once again, maybe AK, KK, 66, 33, maybe KdJd or KdQd. Villain bets $4.00. I raise $12.00 to push out a draw or KQ/KJ/AK. Villain raises all-in, and I call. Pot is $66.20

River is Ac, board Kd, 6d, 3c, 10s, Ac.

Hero shows Ah,Ad -- three of a kind, aces
Villain shows 6s,6h -- three of a kind, sixes
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Old 01-30-2006, 02:33 AM
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Default Re: AA played horribly... Tips on what went wrong?

You really need to improve your attention span. There's no way villain has AK or KK. He also can't have KJd or KQd since there's only one Kd in the deck.

Check raising the turn offers your stack to a better hand while not getting called by many hands you beat.
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