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Old 10-05-2006, 05:50 PM
fabadam fabadam is offline
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Default Flop decision with 1 overcard and gutshot

This was a hand from my review buddy. I'm interested in what everybody does on the flop, specifically how you count your outs.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, SB calls, Hero ...?
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Old 10-05-2006, 05:57 PM
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Default Re: Flop decision with 1 overcard and gutshot

fold.

throw another caller in there and i'd call closing the action. in that case the pot would be 7sb by the time it hit me (4sb going to the flop then a bet and two calls).
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Old 10-05-2006, 06:01 PM
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Default Re: Flop decision with 1 overcard and gutshot

I think your 4 straight outs are clean. Unless UTG is a fish and limped KQ. IMO this is an easy fold. Pot is tiny. Your basically have the 4 straight outs outs and maybe, maybe not 1-1.5 outs for the K.
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Old 10-05-2006, 06:03 PM
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Default Re: Flop decision with 1 overcard and gutshot

Clear fold.

Outs: you have a gutshot with one card, it's not to the nuts and you will sometimes split the pot. At the same time this isn't very probable, so something like 3/3.5 outs should be right. The king could win sometime, but you could also hit a dominated hand or be resucked on the river. I give you 1/1.5 outs for the K. 0 outs for the 8. So you have something like 4/5 outs.
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Old 10-05-2006, 06:03 PM
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Fold. If you are putting bets in you should be the one leading at the flop.
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Old 10-05-2006, 06:38 PM
ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S is offline
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Default Re: Flop decision with 1 overcard and gutshot

seems like an easy call to me
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Old 10-05-2006, 06:40 PM
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seems like an easy call to me

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Prove it.
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Old 10-05-2006, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: Flop decision with 1 overcard and gutshot

we have 4 outs to 9's, 1.5 outs to K's = 5.5 outs = 7:1. Pot odds are 5:1, so it's a fold.
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