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10-05-2006, 01:49 AM
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JJ
Villian is a tight, thinking player, but not overly creative. He's been running bad and I sense he's tilting a bit.
He raises from early and I 3-bet with JJ. Folded around and he caps. I call. Flop is 863 (color unimportant). He bets, I raise, he re-raises, I call. Turn is a K. He bets, I call. River is an A. He checks, I bet, he calls. My hand is good (he shows TT). I'll accept comments/flames for my river bet and/or my call on the turn if you think it's bad. But what I'm more interested in is this... I think he made a pretty bad check on the river, cuz... What do I do if he bets? Against him, I probably should fold. But what if this opponent were the very creative type? Would this change things greatly? How often would you guys, a). Fold, b). Call, or c). Raise? Thanks. 
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#2
10-05-2006, 03:32 AM
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Re: JJ
[ QUOTE ]
Villian is a tight, thinking player, but not overly creative. He's been running bad and I sense he's tilting a bit. He raises from early and I 3-bet with JJ. Folded around and he caps. I call. Flop is 863 (color unimportant). He bets, I raise, he re-raises, I call. Turn is a K. He bets, I call. River is an A. He checks, I bet, he calls. My hand is good (he shows TT). I'll accept comments/flames for my river bet and/or my call on the turn if you think it's bad. But what I'm more interested in is this... IThanks. [/ QUOTE ] preflop is obvisouly standard, as is the flop. the turn is sketchy. what do you beat at this point? nothing, but you were there so i think you need to trust your gut here. how often is his hand exactly QQ that he folds to your river bet? i dunno, but his call makes me wish i had the roll to play higher. [ QUOTE ] think he made a pretty bad check on the river, cuz... What do I do if he bets? Against him, I probably should fold. But what if this opponent were the very creative type? Would this change things greatly? How often would you guys, a). Fold, b). Call, or c). Raise? [/ QUOTE ] i really don't think this is something you should worry too much about. you just happen to have the only hand that both (a) beats him but (b) is horrified of the board. i don't think you're gonna find yourself in this spot too often, and likely do in this case because of what you both happen to have combined with the fact that you called the turn call.
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#3
10-05-2006, 03:56 AM
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Re: JJ
I don't see anything that remarkable. From his flop 3-bet onward, you're really hoping for TT, 99, or an overplayed 77 here, so the king and ace aren't as scary as they might be. I'm not sure about the riverbet though, because I think he'll give up with a lot of those hands, and I think I'm forced under this circumstance to pay off a check-raise.
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#8
10-05-2006, 10:56 AM
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Re: JJ
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i like the river as a bluff vs a "trying to play good" even verse a horrible or playing horrible its super thin. [/ QUOTE ] On the river, I'm either getting c/r'd or I'll very likely have the best hand. What else other than QQ should I be worried about?
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#9
10-05-2006, 12:13 PM
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Re: JJ
[ QUOTE ]
Villian is a tight, thinking player, but not overly creative. He's been running bad and I sense he's tilting a bit. He raises from early and I 3-bet with JJ. Folded around and he caps. I call. Flop is 863 (color unimportant). He bets, I raise, he re-raises, I call. Turn is a K. He bets, I call. River is an A. He checks, I bet, he calls. My hand is good (he shows TT). I'll accept comments/flames for my river bet and/or my call on the turn if you think it's bad. But what I'm more interested in is this... I think he made a pretty bad check on the river, cuz... What do I do if he bets? Against him, I probably should fold. But what if this opponent were the very creative type? Would this change things greatly? How often would you guys, a). Fold, b). Call, or c). Raise? Thanks. [/ QUOTE ] The turn and river really don't change anything about your hand relative to his. This is not the type of opponent that's gonna 3-bet the flop with AK after you called his cap and still raised him. After the flop raise and and re-raise on his part, you are pretty much committed to showdown hoping for TT/99. If you lose, you were always behind to AA-QQ. Now the river check is interesting. Since he's not that creative, you can put his range squarely on QQ-99. Since you say he's tilting, I'd go ahead and do what you did and bet since he'd likely cry call with worse hands. If he's playing well, I suspect he'd call with QQ but not 99/TT. And if he actually bet this river, you need to call cause really the turn/river didn't change anything. If anything it makes it MORE likely that you are winning as it decreases the chance he has AA/KK.
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#10
10-12-2006, 05:29 PM
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Re: JJ
If you're going to fold the river, why call the turn?
Also, what hand range do you put him on raising/capping from early? A tight thinking player I'd put on JJ+/AKs With all the ultra lags online I feel like 18/12 is now considered 'tight'
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