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Old 09-30-2006, 08:45 PM
Kilillan Kilillan is offline
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Default Re: I dont know how to play mid pairs

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The button raised and you're in the BB, RERAISE THAT [censored].

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Uh, okay, maybe. Why? What would you do on a flop like this? Why should I reraise with TT rather than 22?

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because TT is most likely the best hand, it's for value, and there're lots of overcards for your ten.

It depends on how tight button is and UTG is. But I would almost never smooth call with tens in that spot.

I would also reraise 77+ ATs+ as a default

and I would lead the flop if I had reraised preflop, obviously
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Old 09-30-2006, 08:54 PM
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because TT is most likely the best hand, it's for value, and there're lots of overcards for your ten.

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and I would lead the flop if I had reraised preflop, obviously

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Well, I actually want to learn here because I see winning players reraise TT and use this thought process and I don't get it. Raising "for value" only really matters when you can get to showdown. If villain will fold any worse hand, then betting for "value" does not exist and you're just bluffing. I don't think you can show down TT unimproved OOP very often and win a reraised pot, though you will once in a while.

Say you reraise preflop, cbet the flop and villain calls. The turn is the offsuit K. Now what?
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Old 09-30-2006, 09:00 PM
Kilillan Kilillan is offline
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Default Re: I dont know how to play mid pairs

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because TT is most likely the best hand, it's for value, and there're lots of overcards for your ten.

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and I would lead the flop if I had reraised preflop, obviously

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Well, I actually want to learn here because I see winning players reraise TT and use this thought process and I don't get it. Raising "for value" only really matters when you can get to showdown. If villain will fold any worse hand, then betting for "value" does not exist and you're just bluffing. I don't think you can show down TT unimproved OOP very often and win a reraised pot, though you will once in a while.

Say you reraise preflop, cbet the flop and villain calls. The turn is the offsuit K. Now what?

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Basically, if people are only calling you with hands that're JJ+ then you're not reraising nearly enough. A lot of players don't 3-bet enough preflop, mostly with only QQ, KK, AA and AK, making their reraises very transparent.

I get routinely called by hands like QKs or any pair.

And if I get called on flop and turn comes a king, I may bet again or checkraise allin. It's very opponent dependent, like any situation in poker.
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Old 09-30-2006, 09:33 PM
Dan Bitel Dan Bitel is offline
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Default Re: I dont know how to play mid pairs

killian,

you rr TT preflop, flop comes 8 high, you cbet and get called, whats your plan if the turn is a complete blank?

you rr TT preflop, flop comes 8 high, you cbet and get raised, whats your plan?

(assume both villains are unknown and both flops have FD)
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Old 09-30-2006, 09:55 PM
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killian,

you rr TT preflop, flop comes 8 high, you cbet and get called, whats your plan if the turn is a complete blank?

you rr TT preflop, flop comes 8 high, you cbet and get raised, whats your plan?

(assume both villains are unknown and both flops have FD)

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wtf?

That's like saying "how do you play poker"

What kind of questions are those?
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Old 09-30-2006, 10:10 PM
Dan Bitel Dan Bitel is offline
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Default Re: I dont know how to play mid pairs

kilillan,

uhh, they're pretty simple questions, and are spots you'll get faced with a lot when you rr TT preflop.

What I'm trying to gather is whether there are times and how often you will felt TT after rr preflop and not flopping a set.

Personally, I think that rr TT OOP is a fine play as long as you can get to showdown with it a lot, as then you are actually "seeing" the value you gain by rr preflop. If however if both the examples I gave abot you are c/f and folding, then I fail to see the "value" you get in rr TT preflop
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Old 09-30-2006, 10:13 PM
Kilillan Kilillan is offline
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Default Re: I dont know how to play mid pairs

gee, you shouldnt reraise TT preflop because youll face hard decisions. You really taught me.

Asking what I do in every situation just shows your experience as a player in my opinion. Everything depends on the players, your table image, their table image and the flow of the game.

Not reraising tens preflop ever is really stupid. And is a constant reminder I'm in SSNL
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