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#141
09-30-2006, 03:56 AM
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Re: Bill text up
Well I read it [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].
1. I don't see any rules that make it illegal for gambling sites to send money back to their customers. 2. I don't see any rules that make it illegal for Neteller and similar services to receive payments from (or make payments to) their account holders. 3. The rulemakers apparently have a duty under 5364(b)(4) to ensure that their rules don't result in blocking of legal transactions. That would seem to prevent rules that result in blocking deposits to Neteller and similar services. 4. Neteller and similar services obviously can't comply with the coming bank regulations so they may need to move completely offshore. Would that exempt them from our banking regulations if they continue to have U.S. account holders? Or do they become as illegal under U.S. law as the gambling sites they service? It's interesting to think of a hypothetical "real" European bank that happens to have a few U.S. customers with accounts linked to Party. What laws apply and how would they be enforced? 5. The internet access provision seems pretty harmless. They can force a service provider to take down an illegal gambling site operating on their servers. Like that would be the enforcement action of choice against someone caught running a site on U.S. soil [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. More seriously, they can attack U.S.-based affiliates by forcing removal of direct links to illegal overseas sites. But there seems to be no provision for removing text URLs that cannot be clicked. Probably a justified fear of First Amendment litigation on their part. So maybe we see circumventions like "type in www<dot>pokerfoo<dot>com and enter bonus code POKERFUN100". 6. It isn't easy or convenient for the government to force a computer service provider to do anything. They have to do all the research themselves and then be very specific about what they want which is tough when the offending web site may change its links in the middle of the process. There is even a provision for a hearing before the service provider has to remove offending material. Going after affiliate links may be pretty impractical. Comments please [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. 
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#142
09-30-2006, 03:58 AM
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Re: Bill text up
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I have been passively researching immigration, and it appears that within the next two years, I can get permanent residence in Israel, Belize, the UK and Canada (pretty much in that order of difficulty). I need to stay here a while longer to get my wife her green card so she can have some options, but after that, goodbye, US. It's been great. [/ QUOTE ] Wait! Adanthar!!! I thought you were on the side saying it won't be the end?!?!?!?!?! [/ QUOTE ] It's not the end. It's just the end for me, because I'm pissed off with other things in the US as it is and this is pretty much the last (giant) straw. BTW, ironically, I'm an immigration attorney that helps people get citizenship. I should write Alanis Morrisette, maybe she can smuggle me into Canada or something. [/ QUOTE ] Do you have to be Jewish to easily get into Israel, or does it make no difference? Just out of curiosity.
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#144
09-30-2006, 04:05 AM
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3. The rulemakers apparently have a duty under 5364(b)(4) to ensure that their rules don't result in blocking of legal transactions. That would seem to prevent rules that result in blocking deposits to Neteller and similar services. [/ QUOTE ] My understanding is that this section waives them from civil proceedings (e.g. lawsuits) for failing in this duty. Put differently, it takes the burden of proof off the banks; you couldn't sue them if they inadvertently block a NETELLER<->Ebay transaction, for example.
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#145
09-30-2006, 04:10 AM
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#146
09-30-2006, 04:10 AM
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You ever felt what its like screwing over millions of people at once? Nothing else quite measures up or brings you as close to God as that. Regardless of what happens from here its a win for me. All your Dikshits are belong to me. you really think you can stop it? Whatever, Whatever, I do what I want. [/ QUOTE ] best spoof account ever
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#147
09-30-2006, 04:33 AM
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Re: Bill text up
Well just an opinion, but it seems that this bill is aimed at expanding the current laws from only being able to attack online sportsbook to also include any online casino operators. If of course they ever enter this country. They are doing this whereby accepting deposits and placing wagers from americans becomes illegal. This allows our government to arrest them when they enter our soil. It seems that us placing a bet will be no more illegal than it is now, and no more enforcable. Most banks and credit cards already will not fund any online gaming as it is, my friends who are fish all have neteller becasue they love to play. As long as we can reach the gaming sites people will play, and the government will try to stop them from taking our bets.
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#149
09-30-2006, 07:03 AM
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Re: Bill text up
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[ QUOTE ] I have been passively researching immigration, and it appears that within the next two years, I can get permanent residence in Israel, Belize, the UK and Canada (pretty much in that order of difficulty). [/ QUOTE ] I've looked into Canada and it appears to be damn difficult. Medical exams, police investigations, and they won't take you unless you have workplace skills they can use. Something tells me poker player isn't on the list. From there it's 2-4 years to be accepted if you're lucky. Longer if you're not. The irony... makes me want to vomit. [/ QUOTE ] Check out costa rica. from what i remember it's not hard to get permanent residency status but there are some govt hoops to jump through.
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