Happens all the time SSHE Live-still confused

[mrcunningham]

Friday night 9 handed live Bay area B&M. Typical mixture of loose passive and loose aggressive. average 5-6 to a flop. hasn't chopped in 4 orbits. raised preflop maybe 1-2 times per orbit, but once in awhile the maniacs get their drinks and it gets capped preflop.

UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, fold, hero limps with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], fold, raise, button coldcalls, sb coldcalls, bb cold calls, UTG 3bets, calls, hero?

I understand that on maniac tables one should tighten up, but not infrequently I find myself playing on a pretty loose and mostly passive table that once a dealer just lights up with raising preflop with lots of cold callers like above. So on one hand it is 2 more bets to me and it could get raised, and generally this reduces my implied odds, but on the other hand there will be a ton of players playing most with worse hands than mine.

If it were one bet back to me I call, and 3 more bets to me I fold, but what about 2 bets to me?

[phosix]

i dont like to limp with hands like that in middle position. thats a little risky. call it though given the nature of your opponents you can hit the flop or let it go and get paid if you produce a hand.

[TheHip41]

fold town. paying too much to see a flop.

I'd limp the first time, I'd call 1 raise, but paying 4sb PF just can't be a good strategy.

[TheHip41]

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i dont like to limp with hands like that in middle position. thats a little risky. call it though given the nature of your opponents you can hit the flop or let it go and get paid if you produce a hand.

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I've never fold this hand in this situation PF at low limit B&M. This is an auto limp. I usually open limp with this in EP in the loose passive games I play in. I don't drive downtown to fold 87s

[SunOfaJack]

It's 7 handed and probably will be capped so be prepared to put in one more after you call 2. Your effective odds after the probable cap will be at least 5-1 (one or two people may fold).

Edit: (yes implied odds are reduced since 2BB preflop vs # of bets collected postflop, but live these multiway pots will get monstrous as people will chase and chase to win this large pile of chips being made in the middle)

[TripleH68]

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So on one hand it is 2 more bets to me and it could get raised, and generally this reduces my implied odds, but on the other hand there will be a ton of players playing most with worse hands than mine.

If it were one bet back to me I call, and 3 more bets to me I fold, but what about 2 bets to me?

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I'd fold here. And I am not so sure 'there will be a ton of players playing most with worse hands than mine' is the correct way to be thinking here with a hand like mid-suited connectors. It is interesting that it is seven handed! But I still say ditch'em.

[James.]

you have an implied odds hand, you have your implied odds destroyed...what was the question?

[mrcunningham]

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you have an implied odds hand, you have your implied odds destroyed...what was the question?

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This cuts to the chase. Thanks,

[chesspain]

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i dont like to limp with hands like that in middle position. thats a little risky.

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Folding the first time around after two limpers at this type of table would be a huge mistake.

[Hobbs.]

call.