A hand I'm really not sure about

[jmn32]

Only seventh hand at table, MP1 has seemed loose aggressive, but the rest of the table has been passive. How much you can read into that after seven hands, I don't know.


Bodog 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

<font color="blue">Should I be raising this? If it were suited, I would definitely do so.</font>

Flop: (5 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="red">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, BB folds, <font color="red">MP1 raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

<font color="blue">Couldn't really decide whether to bet out with my OESD or not, decided to check and see what happened. Was all ready to raise MP1's bet, but when Button raises, I didn't see anything I gained by three betting. Obviously call MP1's reraise closing the action.</font>

Turn: (8.5 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks,
<font color="red">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="red">CO raises</font>, Button calls, Hero ???

<font color="blue">CO comes alive when the second T falls, but I'm not willing to give him credit for anything more than trips yet, and MP1 could easily have just a jack. If my 8 straight outs are clean (JT, T9 and 88 all seem reasonable possibilities, and I'm not really giving myself anything for overcard outs), I need about 6:1 to call, which I'm getting (just), but I'm wary of a raise and reraise behind me.

Call or Fold?</font>

[OziBattler]

preflop and flop is ok with me.

yep. I think this is fold on the turn. even our non-diamond st8 outs are NOT clean and we maybe to be drawing totally dead already.

with that amount of action drawing to a straight with a paired board and a flush diamond flush draw in the mix when we are not closing the action is bad news.

fold.

[CoachDirty]

Flush draw on the board and the board is paired. I don't think you can count 8 outs here. I fold.

[nuts]

I don't raise this in the sb, you're out of position for the rest of the hand. I might raise it in late position, depends on the opponents.

I'd normally bet the flop against this many in an unraised pot. Although the flush draw spoils your outs somewhat.

CO's raise on the turn probably means trip T or better, you're getting 6.75-1 from the pot, with something less than 6 outs, because you may already be beaten by a fh. If we say 5 outs, then you should fold here I think, with 8.2-1.

[bozlax]

No raise preflop. There's no value to it at a passive table, as you're not limiting the field.

I bet out this flop 100% of the time. With 4 opponents likely to call it's easily for value, you don't mind if it gets raised somewhere down the line, and the suckiest thing possible would be for this flop to check through. Your action when it returns to you should probably continue to be aggressive; as long as you have 3 opponents any bet/raise is for value (wait until the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] falls before worrying about your nut straight losing to a flush, or the board pairs before you worry about FH's and quads).

CO waking up when the board pairs presents some real problems. Button waking up on the flop could just be him trying to isolate a known LAG postflop, but this is different. You have to give CO credit for SOMETHING, and since he's raising to fold people it's doubtful that it's a draw. Also Button is stil donking along, so there's something there, too. Fold.

Note that if you had been more aggro on the flop you'd know more on the turn, and might even be able to see the river for 1 more bet (MP1 checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero calls, MP1 folds/calls).