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09-24-2006, 11:25 PM
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$215 TPTK out of the SB vs. limp caller UTG, WTF does he have?
Early in the tournament versus an unknown who hadn't played many hands. What does he have here given that he didn't raise pre-flop? I am primarily interested in the play from the turn on.
Does everyone at least call down here? Anyone release this? Anyone go broke on the turn or river? Common spot, but the board limits the holdings he could have or does it? PartyPoker Tournament, Big Blind is t60 (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com UTG (t3325) UTG+1 (t804) MP1 (t2380) MP2 (t3385) CO (t2610) Button (t2113) Hero (t1970) BB (t3413) Preflop: Hero is in SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG calls t60, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t170</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, UTG calls t110 Flop: (t400) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players) Hero checks, UTG checks Turn: (t400) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players) <font color="red">Hero bets t225</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to t450</font>, Hero calls t225 River: (t1300) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players) Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets t450</font>, Hero calls t450 
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#3
09-25-2006, 03:06 AM
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Re: $215 TPTK out of the SB vs. limp caller UTG, WTF does he have?
whats with the pointless raise PF?
anyways, id bet this flop and plan to get allin. u only have 4xpot left. how did villain double up early? assuming its because hes a donkey i like betting out this flop. as played its fine except PF which is just stupid obv
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#4
09-25-2006, 03:27 AM
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Re: $215 TPTK out of the SB vs. limp caller UTG, WTF does he have?
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whats with the pointless raise PF? anyways, id bet this flop and plan to get allin. u only have 4xpot left. how did villain double up early? assuming its because hes a donkey i like betting out this flop. as played its fine except PF which is just stupid obv [/ QUOTE ] I don't really mind the PF raise in this case, since it's essentially to knock out bb and get heads up w/ UTG. I'd still make it a little more though.
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#5
09-25-2006, 03:35 AM
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Re: $215 TPTK out of the SB vs. limp caller UTG, WTF does he have?
no, it should also be enough to win the pot, which its not
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#6
09-25-2006, 03:59 AM
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Re: $215 TPTK out of the SB vs. limp caller UTG, WTF does he have?
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no, it should also be enough to win the pot, which its not [/ QUOTE ] As I said, I do agree that I would make it a little more, but in this case it probably won't matter because villain is probably calling whether it's 3x bb, 4x bb, etc based on his hand and his own donkishness, not the specific raise amount.
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#7
09-25-2006, 04:08 AM
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Re: $215 TPTK out of the SB vs. limp caller UTG, WTF does he have?
i raise more pf, but your line is good. Villain has KJ or 88
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#9
09-25-2006, 09:15 AM
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Re: $215 TPTK out of the SB vs. limp caller UTG, WTF does he have?
Right, I just joined because I thought that replying to these things rather than lurking would make me think more about the hands and make me a better player. So here goes,
I am definitely rasing more preflop. I prefer to look at this hand from the point of view of the villain: We have raised preflop from the SB. The OP doesn't mention anything about his/her table image but it's early in the tourney so maybe none has been established. Regardless, I'm assuming that any semi decent player is going to respect that type of raise since he knows that we realise he will have position after the flop. Bearing this in mind, this is a very dangerous board from villain's pov. We check the flop, which he might well expect us to do with AA, QQ, JJ etc. and he checks behind. Now we bet out and he minraises which is obviously horrible but who does this as a bluff? We check the river and he bets into us. This line stinks of something big and unless this guy is a total muppet, I can't see us being ahead here. Berate me.
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#10
09-25-2006, 10:06 AM
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Re: $215 TPTK out of the SB vs. limp caller UTG, WTF does he have?
As for pf, I am giving reasonable implied odds for AK by raising this much. It is an OK raise given that I want to play this hand. Also, I am not trying to take the pot down pf with a hand as good as this. I am def not trying to chase away weaker aces.
If there were more limpers, I would definately raise more. After the turn raise, I was pretty sure I was behind. AJ would be the only possibility that comes to mind. He definately played it like two pair or trips, but then maybe he is just donking it up. I wanted to just fold on the turn, but I called to see if he would check down on the river since it was a min bet. He had QQ. WTF was he thinking.
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