Party 5/10 QQ scary turn multiway

[Ginge]

MP is 75/5/0.2
CO is 49/15/0.6
BB is 18/13/2

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero ???

[TheGunner]

Calls.

[sightless]

I call and get to shwodown and fold If there is a raise somewhere else

[bobhalford]

Seeing as the CO is a fairly passive player, he has the straight here almost always. Certainly we could persuade ourselves that we have outs against J8/98 type hands, but would CO donk these? Perhaps, but a passive player would fear getting check-raised by one of his other 3 opponents who could hold a Ten in his hand. It looks to me like the CO does not want this turn checked through, which means he has the straight a lot of the time.

So I guess my answer is I don't know. Folding feels weak, but I think the way the hand played out, you are getting 5-1 on a calldown and I'd say that CO has the straight at least 80% of the time. Since you have outs to make a higher straight I guess I would call.

[Mossberg]

Quite often, his bet will mean he has two-pair and he's overly concerned that the turn will get checked through. Sometimes it will mean he's overly concerned that his straight will get checked through. Once in a while, he will only have top-pair, and the turn card scared him too, so he's just impulsively throwing a bet in there cuz he's an idiot fish.

With that being said, the turn call is indisputable IMO. You have outs against two of the most common scenarios that I mentioned above, and you're ahead of the other. I call it and carefully re-evaluate on the river.

[Carmine]

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Quite often, his bet will mean he has two-pair and he's overly concerned that the turn will get checked through. Sometimes it will mean he's overly concerned that his straight will get checked through. Once in a while, he will only have top-pair, and the turn card scared him too, so he's just impulsively throwing a bet in there cuz he's an idiot fish.

With that being said, the turn call is indisputable IMO. You have outs against two of the most common scenarios that I mentioned above, and you're ahead of the other. I call it and carefully re-evaluate on the river.

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What he said. Very rarely will you have such a reliable read to fold in that spot

[bobhalford]

Yeah, good points. The CO could be thinking "well those two don't have it, and I bet the pf raiser has AK so I'll bet my xx and see what happens."

I've been away from the tables for so long that I forget how much retardation exists outs there.

[RunDownHouse]

Also, split outs against a made straight that are also nut outs against those two pair/set/TP hands.