Checking with a stack of chips in your hand - Page 2

TheDudeAbides · #11 09-21-2006, 05:07 PM

This is now considered a bet at Brantford Casino.

bernie · #12 09-21-2006, 05:45 PM

Kinda nitty.

What's the angle?

I hate that stupid commit line. Especially when it's dealer enforced like it's supposed to be in my room. Sucks.

It's not really an angle, imo. I mean, would it really matter if they checked with chips in their hand behind the commit line or if there wasn't a line at all? No.

Usually when I see someone checking with chips in their hand, I bet.

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bernie · #13 09-21-2006, 05:47 PM

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He shouldn't be doing this, but I probably wouldnt say anything. Do we really think this guy is picking up reads on people in the 2/4 limit game?

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He likely isn't doing it to pick up reads. He's likely doing it to try and discourage anyone betting behind him because he has a weak hand.

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RR · #14 09-21-2006, 05:57 PM

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Kinda nitty.

What's the angle?

I hate that stupid commit line. Especially when it's dealer enforced like it's supposed to be in my room. Sucks.

It's not really an angle, imo. I mean, would it really matter if they checked with chips in their hand behind the commit line or if there wasn't a line at all? No.

Usually when I see someone checking with chips in their hand, I bet.

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Having a "betting line" increases the moves available to an angle shooter. I have only known of two peopel that know poker that support ahving that line and I have gotten to know one of the two and realize he doesn't know the game nearly as well as I thought he did.

AngusThermopyle · #15 09-21-2006, 05:57 PM

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What's the angle?

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At that limit, a lot of players will act too soon. Either muck or say "call" or "raise" when he makes the motion with the chips, but before he releases/returns the chips.

But if he does it everytime, check or bet, then the best defense is just wait. More of an angle if he checks that way "sometimes".

Mano · #16 09-21-2006, 06:10 PM

Pretty sure he was mainly doing it because he thought it made him look cool. He would place the chips flat, pause, then make a motion like he was cutting off chips, whether actually checking or cutting them off for a call or raise. I'm sure he thought he was being clever and getting reads from doing this, but I doubt he was good enough for it actually make much of a difference, other than some of the total newbs you see at a 2/4 game may jump the gun and act out of turn because of this. I didn't say anything because he pretty much sucked. I think the only reason it bugged me was that for whatever reason I didn't care much for the guy, and he seemed like a real poser. Also, I was surprised that none of the dealers ever warned him, as opposed to later in the day when I played the 4/8 at Mandalay and they were total nazi's about stuff like that.

AKQJ10 · #17 09-21-2006, 06:21 PM

*Grunching*

There was a thread on this in the last 1-2 months if not less. It's pretty stupid to do because it does lead itself to ambiguity. If you have a problem with an opponent doing it, you should ask him to stop.

*Not grunching*

I don't buy that $2/4 has different rules than $2000/4000, but it'd be foolish to pretend that expectations aren't different. In other words you have the same right to speak up as any high roller, but there's probably more chance you'll piss off a fish. If you're willing to risk it (and at $2/4, he could be keeping the seat warm for a bigger fish) then you certainly have every right to ask him to stop.

pokerfloor · #18 09-21-2006, 06:28 PM

Isn't that why they shot WILD BILL HICKOCK

TheStation · #19 09-21-2006, 10:56 PM

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During my last trip to vegas checking with chips in hand happened in every game I played.

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I found this to be true my last trip to Vegas and when I play locally, there is always someone doing this.

No one enforces teh commit line. They tried at Ameristar in Kansas City and it lasted a whole two weeks if I remember right. Its impossible to enforce as its not written on the rules on the wall anywhere and even when they tried enforcing it at Ameristar every new person in the game got a free pass when they did it so it kept happening.

Just dont react to the angle, dont let it help them, if you think there is value in it, use it yourself.

bernie · #20 09-22-2006, 02:36 AM

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What's the angle?

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At that limit, a lot of players will act too soon. Either muck or say "call" or "raise" when he makes the motion with the chips, but before he releases/returns the chips.

But if he does it everytime, check or bet, then the best defense is just wait. More of an angle if he checks that way "sometimes".

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How is this angle really any different than if the commit line wasn't there? After all, people check with chips in their hands all the time. I can see where the stupid, idiotic commit line(can you tell I love the line? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) might enhance the move a bit, but it's still the same thing.

As you say, the best defense is to wait and make sure he's acted. Which is also good to do regardless of how one acts before you. As someone else mentioned, it's easy to exploit this guys play when he does this.

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