KK with an ace on the flop vs turn push

[Dan Bitel]

This is not my hand, this is dotthebot's. she didn't want to post it, but Ilike these hands, so i thought I would.

I've already told her to rr way more preflop, so please lets ignore it.

No reads on the dude apparently, but he has less than a full BI, so its most likely he's not a 2p2/reg

thoughts on flop check and turn fold/call please:

full tilt poker, 6max, 400NL, effective stacks $320

Preflop: $6 (6 players) Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the button
<font color="red"> UTG raises to $20 </font>, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero raises to $50 </font>, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: $106 (2 players) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: $106 (2 players) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="red"> UTG goes all in for $270 </font>, Hero.....?

[TehPokahWizard]

Raise more preflop

[Keyser.]

Meh, this probably isn't a bluff as often as it's ace, 77-TT or JT. I can't really find a call.

I like a flop bet, fwiw, but there are good arguments on both sides.

[True]

villain has TJs, wants you to call with AA / AK / AQ

True

[yad]

What a strange bet.

The size of the preflop reraise actually makes this a pretty difficult decision.

The problem is that if villain is semibluffing he may still have a hand that beats hero. So I probably fold, but without being sure I'm doing the right thing.

[EMc]

Dbitel,

Fold? I dont really think there is much we are beating against an unknown.

As to the flop, I used to always bet this, but I have kinda started to think about checking here and occuisionally checking here with AK too. However, I think I like a bet here. If they call we know we are toast.

[orange]

Raise more PF. and talking to yourself shows the makings of a madman.

I don't really know.

[Cold Klapp]

checking this flop w/ out a read puts us in a really tough spot on the turn. And we obv. want to do whatever possible to make our decisions as easy as possible. I'd say a 1/2-3/4 pot bet on the flop would be the best, or whatever amount you usually bet on A high flops.

[ReptileHouse]

I usually make a 2/3 pot bet on the flop in this situation and shut down if villain calls.

As played, the turn is tough. I think a call, even if correct, is pretty thin. I fold, personally.

[Dot_the_Bot]

tell teh chucklehead that played this hand to bet the flop....or wait, check for value...wait no, bet....wait...check?....just fold flop?