Giving up small edges?

[raindust]

I'm new to SNG's and I have a question concerning small edges. Let's say for instance you somehow knew your opponent had a small pocket pair and you had A,K. If there was already a small amount of money in the pot would you 'flip' here? Another example might be when you have a flush and g/s draw but think he has an overpair. Do winning SNG players always play for any edge anytime? Or would you give up a small edge, from a fish let's say, and look for a larger one later in the tournament? If so, would you more likely give up a very small edge early or late in the tournament? I'm just curious as to whether I should always play for the smallest edges. Thanks for your time.

Raindust

[TruFloridaGator]

There's a lot of cases you can pass up small edges in order to get bigger ones later. We do it a lot in sngs.
Giving up a small edge early is much better than giving it up late when you should be pushing almost any edge.

[raindust]

Thanks for your response. I had that feeling from reading posts, just wanted to double check.

[Sparta45]

The best thing to do is to post a specific hand. It's hard to answer in a vacuume.

[raindust]

Okay, I'll try soon. Thanks

[raindust]

Okay, here's one I think. I think there is also a better way to play this than I did. I have an idea but I'm wondering what others think.

Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/09/18 - 01:51:30 (ET)
Table '32099775 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: michuchu (1425 in chips)
Seat 3: Aurenj (3080 in chips)
Seat 4: $jrbass$ (2550 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO (1495 in chips)
Seat 7: VILLIAN (1000 in chips)
Seat 8: Wongboy (2630 in chips)
Seat 9: sa lou (1320 in chips)
qietdsprashn: posts small blind 50
VILLIAN posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to qietdsprashn [9c Tc]
Wongboy: folds
sa lou: folds
michuchu: folds
Aurenj: folds
Button: calls 100
HERO: calls 50
VILLIAN: checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 4s 8c]
HERO: checks
VILLIAN: bets 350
Button: folds
HERO: raises 1045 to 1395 and is all-in
VILLIAN: calls 550 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [5c 4s 8c] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [5c 4s 8c 6s] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows [9c Tc] (a pair of Eights)
VILLIAN: shows [5d 2c] (two pair, Eights and Fives)
VILLIAN collected 2100 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2100 | Rake 0
Board [5c 4s 8c 6s 8s]

[cha59]

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Okay, here's one I think. I think there is also a better way to play this than I did. I have an idea but I'm wondering what others think.

Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/09/18 - 01:51:30 (ET)
Table '32099775 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: michuchu (1425 in chips)
Seat 3: Aurenj (3080 in chips)
Seat 4: $jrbass$ (2550 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO (1495 in chips)
Seat 7: VILLIAN (1000 in chips)
Seat 8: Wongboy (2630 in chips)
Seat 9: sa lou (1320 in chips)
qietdsprashn: posts small blind 50
VILLIAN posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to qietdsprashn [9c Tc]
Wongboy: folds
sa lou: folds
michuchu: folds
Aurenj: folds
Button: calls 100
HERO: calls 50
VILLIAN: checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 4s 8c]
HERO: checks
VILLIAN: bets 350
Button: folds
HERO: raises 1045 to 1395 and is all-in
VILLIAN: calls 550 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [5c 4s 8c] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [5c 4s 8c 6s] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows [9c Tc] (a pair of Eights)
VILLIAN: shows [5d 2c] (two pair, Eights and Fives)
VILLIAN collected 2100 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2100 | Rake 0
Board [5c 4s 8c 6s 8s]

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If you knew you had 15 outs (8 flush cards, 6 higher pair cards plus 1 out for a backdoor straight) when you pushed, your edge was rather huge. You had fold equity plus you were favored to win the hand when the chips went in. nh, bad result.

[jaws274]

some advice from doyle brunson comes to mind.
"Don't go broke in an unraised pot"

i think that you did have an edge in this hand, however, you weren't sure that you did. villain could have had any number of hands that had you edge turned completely negative. so, in general, you didnt have an edge against the range of hands that villain is betting in this spot.

also, i dont know what buy-in this is, so i can't give you a general range i think villain would bet. its definitely wide tho at lower limits. which would mean that you *could* have an edge against his range...

i think this is a spot you should definitely fold. drawing in sng's is generally a bad idea.

[raindust]

I posted this a few days ago and didn't get any responses so I don't know if what I'm asking is assinine or if the post was just lost in the shuffle. I was trying to figure out the ICM thing also and use it here. I don't know if it can be used after the flop or not. What I'm thinking here is whether I play this hand out or not I'm close to even $ev.(I think) So is there a better line that would allow me to take this down without a showdown or should I even let this 'small edge' go here? From my other post -

Though I'm using villians actual holding for calculations, I would assume he always has some pair and calls checkraise. So is this correct?-

(.476*.042)+(.523*.192)= .12 $ev Which is .01 better than folding. Did I figure this right? Thanks for everyone's help.

Raindust

[raindust]

It was 10+1 at pokerstars. I've been SSNL cash games and I think the play wouldn't be so bad there, but for a SNG I think I need to adjust my strategy. I think check raise was bad because Villian was pot committed. So do you hate bet 1/3 pot, push turn line or something similar?