4 Flush hits the river - do I call with TPTK?

[duckman]

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds.

River: (8 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Villain is a 56/5/.23

Is this a fold?

[TheGunner]

Sadly, yes (.23). Unless you have a specific read about him bluffing.

[TomBrooks]

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Is this a fold?

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Yes, but you can't fold in the next similar situation because he might get the idea he can bluff now that he knows you can fold.

[DCWildcat]

Yeah, I fold.

Note that besides the 4 flush and his passivity, it's also a 2 pair heavy board, and completes 3 different straights. Fairly easy fold.

[Oct0puz]

Are all of you seriously folding this?? With this huge odds(9:1 !!) I would call every time. But maybe this is a flaw in my game?

[SlantNGo]

No, this could very well be an irrational fish bet with just a pair. In a 5 or 6 BB pot, I'll fold. Not in a 9 BB pot.

[TomBrooks]

A couple of times just recently, I've seen someone donk a 4 flush without it. But they were whackos. One guy did it in a 4 way hand of 2/4 that had 4BB in the pot. I folded and he got two calls and they spit .75BB each. I didn't feel like risking 1 BB to win one in that situation. 9BB it might be worth a call, but from a .23 aggro player donking into the aggressor on all previous streets...meh...maybe. It could be an attempt to steal the pot.

[Caddy_4_Life]

I make this call getting 9:1. 8:1 I probably call too but I think thats even EV. 7:1 or less I fold.

It's real an assumptive situation. Can we catch a Party 5/10 player fitting this passive role with less than TPTK 1 in 10 times? I can't say we can with 100% certaintity, but because I'm 51% sure, I make this call.

Caddy

[adios]

IMO it's probably slightly -EV to call given the pot size; the villan's profile; and the texture of the board (high cards besides the four spades) on the river but I'd call for meta game reasons.

[The_Bankroll]

yeah, I doubt your ahead even 10% of the time here, and the only thing you beat is a bluff. There are too many hands that beat you, and from my expierience, players who donk bet on a river like that usually have your beat.