Stars NL100-Did i overplay this jj?

ShipItHereHo · #1 09-19-2006, 01:09 AM

This is my second hand at the table. After i raise to 39 am i commited to calling the reraise?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($7.60)
MP1 ($30.70)
MP2 ($47.65)
Hero ($92.40)
CO ($83.60)
Button ($17.50)
SB ($18.50)
BB ($106.80)
UTG ($51.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $7.6, 1 fold, MP2 calls $7.60, Hero raises to $39, 3 folds, BB raises to $106.8, MP2 folds, Hero calls $53.40 (All-In).

Flop: ($214.90) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($214.90) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($214.90) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $214.90

skydancing8 · #2 09-19-2006, 01:21 AM

I think you did, disregaurd what the shorty did. I'm probably only reraising there about <10% of the time. I'm never calling that BB all in with anything less then KK.

I think if you just call, and then see what happens on the flop you can shut out most hands when you're still over the board, unless of course you were a 4-1 dog like it looks like here.

KingOfSwords · #3 09-19-2006, 01:24 AM

I love it when they come over the top when I have JJ. Without a read, I think you have to fold here.

There was $57.20 in the pot when BB went all in. BB effectively puts another $92.40 in the pot since he has you covered. You must put in $53.40 to win $149.60. Assuming an average hand range for BB is AA, KK, QQ and AKs I just don't think you're getting the odds.

If we knew BB was a maniac, this would be a totally different situation, of course.

ShipItHereHo · #4 09-19-2006, 01:52 AM

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I love it when they come over the top when I have JJ. Without a read, I think you have to fold here.

There was $57.20 in the pot when BB went all in. BB effectively puts another $92.40 in the pot since he has you covered. You must put in $53.40 to win $149.60. Assuming an average hand range for BB is AA, KK, QQ and AKs I just don't think you're getting the odds.

If we knew BB was a maniac, this would be a totally different situation, of course.

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i am 36% to win with aa kk qq and ak range. so it is close based on that range. anyways he had ak.

Jon1000 · #5 09-19-2006, 01:59 AM

i'm no mathemagician, um . . . so if you put him on one of four hands, 3 of which you are a 4-1 dog and one of which ur a coinflip against, how is your winning percentage in the 30s?

FastPlaySlow · #6 09-19-2006, 02:01 AM

JJ is not the nuts, I'd fold there.

QuentinCompson · #7 09-19-2006, 02:03 AM

raising to 39 is extremely excessive. Make it closer to 25 next time and EZ fold to a 4-bet from a nonidiot.

ShipItHereHo · #8 09-19-2006, 02:04 AM

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i'm no mathemagician, um . . . so if you put him on one of four hands, 3 of which you are a 4-1 dog and one of which ur a coinflip against, how is your winning percentage in the 30s?

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get pokerstove.

ShipItHereHo · #9 09-19-2006, 02:06 AM

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raising to 39 is extremely excessive. Make it closer to 25 next time and EZ fold to a 4-bet from a nonidiot.

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my thoughts exactly. but at nl100 i consider them idiots until otherwise proven. but this was my 2nd hand and after hand was over i felt i shoulda raised closer to 25 and allowed myself the opportunity to fold in the hand the way it played out. considering i did raise to 39 i think my call is ok based on odds of me winning against his range and pot odds im getting. i also think just calling pf with position isnt a bad move either.

QuentinCompson · #10 09-19-2006, 02:09 AM

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raising to 39 is extremely excessive. Make it closer to 25 next time and EZ fold to a 4-bet from a nonidiot.

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my thoughts exactly. but at nl100 i consider them idiots until otherwise proven. but this was my 2nd hand and after hand was over i felt i shoulda raised closer to 25 and allowed myself the opportunity to fold in the hand the way it played out. considering i did raise to 39 i think my call is ok based on odds of me winning against his range and pot odds im getting. i also think just calling pf with position isnt a bad move either.

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Getting all in pf with JJ and QQ = -EV against 90% of players, IMO. I still fold to the 4-bet because I expect to see AA, KK, and QQ >75% of the time.