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Old 09-19-2006, 12:10 AM
ThePortuguee ThePortuguee is offline
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Default So someone explain how not to double up a bigger overpair here...

Six max, Pokerstars 100NL. I have Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the BB. Villain has $81, and opens UTG to $5. I cover. Fold to me and I call.

Flop ($10): 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I check and villain bets $12.

What's your plan here? Assuming overcards to your queens don't come, do you ever avoid doublig up AA or KK? Do you tend to lead the flop?
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:12 AM
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Default Re: So someone explain how not to double up a bigger overpair here...

i think i'm check raising that flop and folding to a three bet all in. If he flat calls. I'm betting that non over turn. Course, I'm also reraising automatically pre-flop.
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:14 AM
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Default Re: So someone explain how not to double up a bigger overpair here...

ps any stats on him?
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:17 AM
ThePortuguee ThePortuguee is offline
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Default Re: So someone explain how not to double up a bigger overpair here...

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ps any stats on him?

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Pokertracker hasnt been working on my cmoputer and he was relatively new to the table, so no real info.
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:32 AM
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Default Re: So someone explain how not to double up a bigger overpair here...

I lead the flop there. See what happens from there.
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:40 AM
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Default Re: So someone explain how not to double up a bigger overpair here...

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I lead the flop there. See what happens from there.

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Leading the flop doesn't seem to get us anywhere good. Most of the time our opponent will fold a worse hand (that he would have bet had we checked to him) and call/raise with a better hand. Leading lets our opponent play close to perfectly.

At least check-raising and folding to a 3-bet allows our opponent to put money into the pot with a worse hand.
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Old 09-19-2006, 01:08 AM
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Default Re: So someone explain how not to double up a bigger overpair here...

I pretty much always reraise preflop here.
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Old 09-19-2006, 01:13 AM
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Default Re: So someone explain how not to double up a bigger overpair here...

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I always reraise preflop here.

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Old 09-19-2006, 01:33 AM
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Default Re: So someone explain how not to double up a bigger overpair here...

(I only play full ring.) What are you guys doing against smarter players that understands you will just fold to the reraise? I flat call this a lot when check raised with AA or KK. The hand really doesn't have to be decided on the flop IMHO. They push that turn with QQ or JJ and its a very easy stack. You still never really accomplished anything here.

(remember, you think he has AA or KK.) If you check call and then check the turn I think you'll have more success in finding out where you're sitting here. Most players will bet AA KK and AK the same on that flop. Its on the turn where you might find a little more clarity in the betting patterns.
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Old 09-19-2006, 01:35 AM
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Default Re: So someone explain how not to double up a bigger overpair here...

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I always reraise preflop here.

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BTW, if you're thinking about poker hands in terms of "how can I lose the least amount of money against the nuts" you are probably missing out on tons of value.
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