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#1
09-15-2006, 01:40 PM
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big hand in a big pot
Live 8-16, 9 handed
UTG and UTG+1 are both pretty tight-passive players. They aren't rocks, though, because they play pretty much correctly PF (maybe even cold-calling slightly too much). Post-flop is where the tight-passive comes out - both of them seem like the kind of player that values not paying off a better hand more than they value money. I've seen both make what I thought were pretty bad folds. I don't have a very good read on MP3, but he is starting to smell kinda fishy. PF Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="red">UTG raises</font>, <font color="red">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero caps</font>, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 4 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](4 players, 17.5 SB) UTG checks, <font color="red">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, UTG agonizes for a little bit and finally makes what is clearly a big laydown, UTG+1 calls. Turn K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](3 players, 11.5 BB) UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls. River 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](2 players, 15 BB) Hero... What's my plan here? c/c? b/f? Is there any way I can lay this down getting 16:1? Is the rest of the hand super-standard? Should I have check-called the turn instead of betting out? It was hard to have any idea what MP3 could have had. 
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#2
09-15-2006, 01:59 PM
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Re: big hand in a big pot
Since you are there already, check/call. The pot is too big to fold. But expect to lose almost always. Fish, calling 2 on the flop and raising the turn... Smells like a set.
Edit: BTW how come MP3 became MP2 on the turn? Did he change the seat? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#4
09-15-2006, 02:13 PM
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Re: big hand in a big pot
I would check the turn, there's so much that could beat us we might as well try for a cheap showdown and cheap draw at the gutshot.
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#6
09-15-2006, 02:49 PM
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Re: big hand in a big pot
easy river fold.
He cold calls 100 PF. Cold calls 2 on the flop. And raises the turn. QQ is ahead here never. Also, I bet/call the turn only cause of my OESD. I c/f the river.
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#7
09-15-2006, 02:59 PM
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Re: big hand in a big pot
Getting 16:1 I'd always call this river; is that so wrong?
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#8
09-15-2006, 03:48 PM
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Re: big hand in a big pot
You aren't good 1 time in 16 here. Online, I can find a call a good percentage of the time, against live Loose Passives, I think the river is a super easy fold. As a related note, checking the turn is weak tight and anyone who does it hates money.
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#9
09-15-2006, 04:15 PM
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Re: big hand in a big pot
Villain has A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], or maybe A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or maybe 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and is taking one last gasp bluff bet at pot < 1:16?
GpissingawaymoneyonrivercallsG
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#10
09-15-2006, 04:22 PM
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Re: big hand in a big pot
[ QUOTE ]
Villain has A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], or maybe A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or maybe 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and is taking one last gasp bluff bet at pot < 1:16? GpissingawaymoneyonrivercallsG [/ QUOTE ] Even a complete fish will not cold call PF cap with these hands often. I think he has JJ, 99, 88 here a lot.
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