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Old 09-14-2006, 12:31 AM
MadScientist MadScientist is offline
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Default $109 Big Pocket Pair, A showing, 3 flush flop, two pair turn, Game On?

Player what?
How do you handle your business in spots like this.


Betting it out has it's merits, but getting it all in on the flop just can't be right.
Turn seems straight forward to me, but was I right?
Finally, the most interesting of streets, the river. Any value in betting there. Obv. I just checked behind.

How you handle the queens here?

PartyPoker Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t40 (10 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t2941)
UTG+1 (t1875)
MP1 (t2145)
Hero (t1980)
MP3 (t1920)
CO+1 (t2040)
CO (t1199)
Button (t1940)
SB (t1960)
BB (t2000)

Preflop: Hero is in MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, MP1 calls t40, <font color="red">Hero raises to t175</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t155, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, MP1 calls t135

Flop: (t505) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t505) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t315</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, Hero calls t315

River: (t1135) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
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Old 09-14-2006, 12:47 AM
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Default Re: $109 Big Pocket Pair, A showing, 3 flush flop, two pair turn, Game On?

I dont think I mind gettin it all in on the flop here, unless were up against exactly AxKd were 1.4/1 against if he has an ace, and thats assuming he wants to play for his stack without tptk on a flush board. I think lead out and be prepared to take it all the way, balls to the wall style.

as played yeah i think its fine, Im not betting the river ever.

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Old 09-14-2006, 12:55 AM
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Default Re: $109 Big Pocket Pair, A showing, 3 flush flop, two pair turn, Game On?

Betting the river is Ok, if you wanna make a value bet. Based on the betting, most of the time villain doesn't have an Ace, and if it's a crappy one, you're not getting raised.


Checking is fine too, and what I'd do, but I would bet if I knew the opponent.
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Old 09-14-2006, 12:59 AM
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Default Re: $109 Big Pocket Pair, A showing, 3 flush flop, two pair turn, Game

I like how you played it
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Old 09-14-2006, 01:00 AM
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Default Re: $109 Big Pocket Pair, A showing, 3 flush flop, two pair turn, Game

nh
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Old 09-14-2006, 01:03 AM
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Default Re: $109 Big Pocket Pair, A showing, 3 flush flop, two pair turn, Game On?

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Betting the river is Ok, if you wanna make a value bet. Based on the betting, most of the time villain doesn't have an Ace, and if it's a crappy one, you're not getting raised.


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So most of the time he hasnt got an ace and folds, and when he has an ace he's not raising, wheres the value here?

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Old 09-14-2006, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: $109 Big Pocket Pair, A showing, 3 flush flop, two pair turn, Game On?

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Betting the river is Ok, if you wanna make a value bet. Based on the betting, most of the time villain doesn't have an Ace, and if it's a crappy one, you're not getting raised.


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So most of the time he hasnt got an ace and folds, and when he has an ace he's not raising, wheres the value here?

sup

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When villain caught an 8 or had a PP lower than you. Like I said, I only do it against opponents I know, who wouldn't bet an Ace like that, which is also at the $22s right now, not the $109s, which may change the answer.
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Old 09-14-2006, 01:22 AM
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Default Re: $109 Big Pocket Pair, A showing, 3 flush flop, two pair turn, Game

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I like how you played it

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me too.

room for a thin vbet against some on the riv.
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Old 09-14-2006, 01:50 AM
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Default Re: $109 Big Pocket Pair, A showing, 3 flush flop, two pair turn, Game

PF raise is standard because you have QQ (!!!) in position.

I really like the flop check since you have showdown value, all sorts of good cards happen on the turn, and betting out sucks if you get raised. Pot control, nice.

Turn call is really nice, no reason to blow Villain off a hand you have crushed.

River is good, but I likely make that thin value bet on the end.
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Old 09-14-2006, 10:21 PM
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Default Re: $109 Big Pocket Pair, A showing, 3 flush flop, two pair turn, Game

i value bet the river, everything else is good.
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