QQ flop sucks

orange · #1 09-14-2006, 07:12 PM

Villans are both stations (like 35+/10/1.5-2). Hero is TAG. Do you lead this flop?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $196
orange: $231.75
CO: $179.40
Button: $267.40
SB: $314.35
BB: $488.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) orange is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">orange raises to $9</font>, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, 2 folds.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($31, 3 players)
SB checks, orange...?

kitaristi0 · #2 09-14-2006, 07:14 PM

Against stations no. Against normal people, probably not.

orange · #3 09-14-2006, 07:15 PM

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Against stations no. Against normal people, probably not.

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If it checks around, do you lead the turn? Assuming turn is blank.

tubasteve · #4 09-14-2006, 07:16 PM

I don't really see much reason to care about this pot. I'd probably let the flop check around, call a modest turn bet, and fold to a river bet.

kitaristi0 · #5 09-14-2006, 07:18 PM

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Against stations no. Against normal people, probably not.

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If it checks around, do you lead the turn? Assuming turn is blank.

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Yes. I expect any T+ to call, but this time the range is weighted more heavily towards a Tx,Jx,Qx or Kx hand then an Ax hand then if you had bet the flop and got called, hence me betting the turn for value but not the flop.

That made sense to me, don't know whether it does to anyone else.

terp · #6 09-14-2006, 07:18 PM

you will get called here by a good mix of hands that beat you (Ax, J10, KQ, K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], etc) and a good mix that you beat by either a ton (Jx, 10x, Kx) or not by much (draws).

in short, betting doesn't give you information on their range, it doesn't fold out many better hands and it bloats the pot with a marginal hand. we're torn between protecting and wanting to not pay off Ax.

c/f

einbert · #7 09-14-2006, 07:21 PM

I would definitely check with no clear intention of what to do without seeing what happens.

Having everything planned out for every possible situation at this point isn't really necessary or even productive.

TheCloset · #8 09-14-2006, 07:23 PM

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Against stations no. Against normal people, probably not.

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If it checks around, do you lead the turn? Assuming turn is blank.

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If its checked around to me, im leading this turn and shutting down if called. why let KJ showdown cheaply or even steal the pot?

mother_brain · #9 09-14-2006, 07:41 PM

It seems like you're a fan of raising to 9 on most of your hands. In my opinion you oughta make it more if you got a table full of stations, hopefully isolate better.

tubasteve · #10 09-14-2006, 07:47 PM

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It seems like you're a fan of raising to 9 on most of your hands. In my opinion you oughta make it more if you got a table full of stations, hopefully isolate better.

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9 is a psb preflop