Facing the dreaded river push on the utimate scare card ....10+1R

[Hotrod0823]

PokerStars Game #6278712507: Tournament #31512907, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2006/09/13 - 23:50:41 (ET)
Table '31512907 122' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Just4ben (7495 in chips)
Seat 2: mirri (6462 in chips)
Seat 3: soapsuds (19075 in chips)
Seat 4: herbstreet24 (6075 in chips)
Seat 5: UsoRAVEN (12845 in chips)
beat 6: yadio (39490 in chips)
Seat 7: ryananth (4438 in chips)
Seat 8: Hotrod0823 (11785 in chips)
Seat 9: monkeyboy69 (4375 in chips)
UsoRAVEN: posts small blind 100
yadio: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hotrod0823 [Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
ryananth: folds
Hotrod0823: raises 400 to 600
monkeyboy69: folds
Just4ben: calls 600
mirri: folds
soapsuds: folds
herbstreet24: calls 600
UsoRAVEN: folds
yadio: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]

yadio: checks
Hotrod0823: bets 1600
Just4ben: folds
herbstreet24: folds
yadio: calls 1600

TURN: [ 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

yadio: checks
Hotrod0823: bets 2800
yadio: calls 2800

*** RIVER *** [4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]

yadio: bets 34490 and is all-in

Hotrod0823: ?????


Now I know I played these Q's pretty straight forward. Maybe my turn bet was too small but it all comes down to how I feel about the river push.

He had this stack coming from the break. He came to the table with this stack so I don't know how he got it. Not that is matters much in the rebuy.

After the flop call I was pretty sure I was ahead. He had a pretty big range given his stack size and my PF raise, the caller and it being his BB.

Anyway, this is not a pretty board anymore. Any 3 beats me, any A, any 2 pair and any flush.

So that brings me to my question which of these if any warrant an allin push???

[shaundeeb]

honestly fold and slap yourself for not shoving the turn.

[Sherman]

It sucks, but I fold. Not much you can do here. He obviously isn't folding (so he has something, even if it is a draw).

You can't pay him off with his expected implied odds.

[mlagoo]

he is basically betting less than the pot after every draw got there. fold.

[Hotrod0823]

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honestly fold and slap yourself for not shoving the turn.

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I know that I bet too little but why shove?

I felt stuck. With 9k behind and a 6k pot is pushing my best bet?

[shaundeeb]

yes because anything commits you and theres like 35 cards in the deck you don't want to see A K J spade 3 6

[Hotrod0823]

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he is basically betting less than the pot after every draw got there. fold.

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True, his shove doesn't really mean squat. Maybe its more psyc. than anything else.

What percentage of the time is this a BLUFF?

[mlagoo]

who knows. not a large enough percentage of the time.

don't give unknowns credit for elaborate river bluffs. its silly.