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Old 09-12-2006, 10:32 AM
SA125 SA125 is offline
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Default Re: Doyle responds to cheating in the big game and elsewhere

Not speaking about the big game, just about guys playing from the same BR in games in general.

Doyle said him, Slim and Sailor Roberts travelled together in the begining and played from the same BR. Today you go to the cardroom, even big ones like Borgata, and see the same faces day after day.

If 2 or 3 of those guys are smart and can keep a secret, you'd be playing against a team and never know it. It's without a doubt entirely possible if they don't get stupidly obvious in their play or drunk and loose lipped at the bar.
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Old 09-12-2006, 10:38 AM
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In 1971, Spilotro was given the task of succeeding Marshall Caifano as the mob's representative in Las Vegas. Spilotro reunited with his boyhood friend Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal, who ran several mafia-backed casinos, including the Stardust. Spilotro and Rosenthal worked together to embezzle profits from the casinos and send them back to Midwest Mafia families, especially those in Chicago.

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In 1972 he was indicted back in Chicago for the murder of real estate agent-loan enforcer Leo Foreman, a loan enforcer who made the mistake of ordering Sam DeStefano out of his office in May of 1963. Foreman was lured to the home of Sam's brother, Mario DeStefano to play cards where he was tortured before being shot, pieces of his flesh were cut out and he was repeatedly stabbed with an ice pick.

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Where Rosenthal was responsible for the actual management of the casinos, Spilotro's primary task was to control casino employees and other personnel involved in the embezzlement scheme.

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Spilotro is known for his involvement in the murders of Bill McCarthy and James Miraglia, known to the public as the "M & M Murders." McCarthy and Miraglia were two young robbers that had robbed and shot dead three businessmen in the mobster populated neighborhood of Elmwood Park, Chicago. They were also in debt to Anthony's old boss Sam DeStefano.Their bodies were discovered on May 15, 1962 in the boot of a car dumped on the South-West side of Chicago. Both were beaten badly and had their throats slit, from Miraglia's injuries it seems his head was placed in a vise popping out his eye, persumably to persuade him to disclose the whereabouts of Bill McCarthy. Spilotro may also have been involved in the attempted car bombing murder of Rosenthal on October 4, 1982.

Spilotro was also incriminated in the murder of his onetime mentor "Mad" Sam DeStefano on April 15, 1973, while Sam, his brother Mario and Spilotro were all facing trial for the murder of Leo Foreman, a local collector for the mob, who had been brutally tortured to death in Sam DeStefano's basement. He is suspected of murdering real estate heiress Tamara Rand, Allen Dorfman who he was indicted alongside with in 1984 and the manager of The International Fiber Glass Company Danny Siefert. Siefert was to be a principal witness in the fraud case but was shot in front of his wife and four year old son in September of 1974. When he gained control of Vegas, he also murdered Frank “the Bomp” Bompensiero, who was the consigliere of the "Mickey Mouse Mafia" (Cosa Nostra Family in California), but may have been cooperating with the FBI and viewed as an embarrassment to the bosses in the Midwest. (Ironically, before his murder, Bompensiero helped Spilotro locate Tamara Rand, who was pressuring Frank Rosenthal front man Allen Glick to make good on a $2 million loan.)

According to former Willow Springs, Illinois police chief Jim Corbitt, rumors on the street also accuse Spilotro of murdering former Outfit boss Sam Giancana. The FBI believe he was also involved in the murder of loan shark enforcer William "Action" Jackson who worked for Sam DeStefano in the 1950s and 1960s. The Chicago Outfit thought William was being an informant for the FBI in 1961. Anthony took him to a meat factory and hung him by a meat hook in the rectum, where he then crippled Jackson by smashing his knees with hammers and electrocuted his genitals with a cattle prod. William was left near death for three days before finally succombing to his fatal injuries.
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Old 09-12-2006, 02:23 PM
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Anthony took him to a meat factory and hung him by a meat hook in the rectum, where he then crippled Jackson by smashing his knees with hammers and electrocuted his genitals with a cattle prod. William was left near death for three days before finally succombing to his fatal injuries.

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In Chicago we called that "taking out the trash."
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Old 09-12-2006, 02:55 PM
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Maybe. But maybe because he's not an idiot.
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Old 09-12-2006, 09:20 PM
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btw I have a 7 volume video set of Dai Vernon (greatest card magician in history) who spends one of the volumes talking (and demonstrating) about poker cheats, and I was pretty amazed at some of the incredibly crafty collusion that "took" place back in the "old days" Not just strictly mechanical but wordplay and signaling as well.
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