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#1
09-11-2006, 05:32 PM
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How badly was this played?
Nine-handed $10/$25 live no-limit table at Foxwoods. 5/10 no limit game just broke up and three new players sit down that have never played higher than 5/10.
Player 1 has around $3500 in front of him and is a short stack (he is one of the new players). He is dealt AK off under the gun. Player 1 limps. Player two raises to $75, is called by the button and large blind (both regulars). Newbie calls. Flop K-Q-8 rainbow. Player 1 checks, Player two bets $100. Button calls, big blind folds. Player 1 raises to $600. Player two folds, button reraises to $1100. Player 1 calls. Turn is rainbow 3. Player 1 checks, button bets $1800. Player 1 calls, has around $600 left. River is another K. Player 1 goes all in, and is called by button who has pocket 8's for a full house. Player 1 leaves to apply some preperation H. I was one of the new players and was confused at how Player 1 could have gotten himself into so much trouble. At what point should he have laid it down? What should he have done differently? 
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#2
09-11-2006, 05:43 PM
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Re: How badly was this played?
Don't post results.
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#5
09-11-2006, 07:22 PM
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Re: How badly was this played?
When button smooth called a rainbow flop c-bet in a multi-way pot, then re-raised after trapping money in the pot, it's a monster here every time and he should fold 1 pair immediately.
JA
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#6
09-11-2006, 07:33 PM
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Re: How badly was this played?
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Flop K-Q-8 rainbow. Player 1 checks, Player two bets $100. Button calls, big blind folds. Player 1 raises to $600. Player two folds, button reraises to $1100. Player 1 calls. [/ QUOTE ] This action tells quite a story, and is a good place to lay down TPTK. What hands is the player beating that re-raise a c/r?
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#7
09-12-2006, 06:32 AM
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Re: How badly was this played?
The player told me after that he just felt the call/raiser was trying to push him out of the pot because he was new to the limit.
We both heard the experienced players make note of how 'good it was for their game' that we came to their table when the 5/10 broke up.
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#8
09-12-2006, 07:59 AM
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Re: How badly was this played?
Im going to answer this with a conscience effort to be nice, so that you get some good feedback. But know that this hand was played in such a bad fashion that you are likely to get some irrate replies.
PLayer 1 should have gone all-in preflop if he is going to limp with it from early position. The charm of AK is that is is rarely worse than a race against opponents' range of hands, and there is enough money in the pot that even if hands that beat us (like 22-QQ) call our all-in, we profit. BUT, we are hoping they fold...which is the REAL power of AK. The last thing you want to do is call a raise OOP in a four way pot with AK, that's just begging for trouble. This is a great flop for AK, but being OOP in a multiway pot is a difficult spot, so I advocate leading for half pot to get a good idea where we are at right now. Checking with the intention of c/r'ing the raiser is bad. It requires us to put alot of extra money in the pot, and what it accomplishes is: we lose any value we could have gotten from worse hands on later streets, bloat the pot and give draw correct odds to call (likely with greatly increased implied odds) and set ourselves up to be trapped easier. Then after c/r'ing he is minraised...well, I suppose this is the point where you two are confused about how he could have avoided getting trapped...play the earlier streets better. It's hard to not go broke at this point, after betting $600 with a hand to win a $600 pot, why not call $500 with the same hand and a bigger pot? When in actuality, someone who limps preflop, flat calls a cbet for 1/3 of the pot on a dry flop, and then minraises a c/r, can ONLY be trying to trap. so...where was this game?
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