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Old 09-11-2006, 02:08 PM
wazz wazz is offline
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Default Is this a fold against a strong opponent?

SB is reasonably tight and I've not seen him make any unconventional plays. Best case scenario he's got a hand like the same straight draw with me plus the nut flush draw, but this felt like my straight outs weren't very live.

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $200
UTG+1: $139.95
UTG+2: $166.86
Hero: $258.81
MP2: $264
MP3: $394.20
CO: $200
Button: $199
SB: $209.91
BB: $196

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($16, 8 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $15.2</font>, BB calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $55</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $195.4</font>, BB folds, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $140.4 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $141.2
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Old 09-11-2006, 02:34 PM
RoundTower RoundTower is offline
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Default Re: Is this a fold against a strong opponent?

I would shove now, raising is a mistake if you are planning to fold to a 3 bet.
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Old 09-11-2006, 02:39 PM
Silent A Silent A is offline
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Default Re: Is this a fold against a strong opponent?

Even against JhTh96 your equity is 0.39 and against 9h7h76 it's 0.364.

There's $280 sitting in the pot, it'll cost you $140 to call and SB only has $13 left over.

The equity you need to justify a push is : (140+13)/(280+140+13+13) = 153/446 = 0.343

In terms of EV = .364*446 - 153 = +9

This is the WORST case scenario. Against 69xx with a flush draw youe equity is closer to 0.45 and your EV is +48.
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Old 09-11-2006, 02:43 PM
wazz wazz is offline
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Default Re: Is this a fold against a strong opponent?

Ok, bad fold then.
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Old 09-11-2006, 02:45 PM
ratholeusoul ratholeusoul is offline
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Default Re: Is this a fold against a strong opponent?

You got the answer from your reraise, fold. I'd just call on the flop tho.
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Old 09-11-2006, 02:59 PM
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Default Re: Is this a fold against a strong opponent?

If you're going to play this hand, you can't fold this flop ever.

If you can't shove after SB 3-bets, then just call the flop (BB is giving you some overlay), but I think pushing is better.

Tom
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Old 09-11-2006, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: Is this a fold against a strong opponent?

wtf, you really folded? is this a joke?
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:35 PM
Marnixvdb Marnixvdb is offline
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Default Re: Is this a fold against a strong opponent?

you can't fold this
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:45 PM
CallYNotRaise06 CallYNotRaise06 is offline
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Default Re: Is this a fold against a strong opponent?

after raising, you have to go to the felt. (a call on the flop is not bad here.)
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Old 09-12-2006, 01:21 AM
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Default Re: Is this a fold against a strong opponent?

I'd say "I can't believe any of you would fold", but then I thought about all the weak-tight nits I've sat with, and realized "oh yeah... those guys would fold."

Poooooooooooooooooooosh! (or just call instead of raising.)
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