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Old 09-05-2006, 03:55 PM
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Default Party $11 Speed: Push this QQ on 2nd hand?

Converter is messed up. MP1 raised to 80 and I reraised to 280 then he re-raised me back to 480. What is my line now?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t1755)
Button (t1980)
SB (t2345)
BB (t2000)
UTG (t2000)
UTG+1 (t2000)
UTG+2 (t2000)
MP1 (t1920)
Hero (t2000)
MP3 (t2000)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
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Old 09-05-2006, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: Party $11 Speed: Push this QQ on 2nd hand?

Muck it. That has got to be a piss poorly played KK/AA.
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Old 09-05-2006, 04:04 PM
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Default Re: Party $11 Speed: Push this QQ on 2nd hand?

MP1 lost t80 on hand #1 and combined with his actions this hand we've already concluded he's a donk. Could he be a donk w/ AA/KK? Yes, but the mere fact that he's a donk widens his range hugely, thus push.
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Old 09-05-2006, 04:05 PM
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Default Re: Party $11 Speed: Push this QQ on 2nd hand?

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MP1 lost t80 on hand #1 and combined with his actions this hand we've already concluded he's a donk. Could he be a donk w/ AA/KK? Yes, but the mere fact that he's a donk widens his range hugely, thus push.

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Old 09-05-2006, 04:10 PM
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Default Re: Party $11 Speed: Push this QQ on 2nd hand?

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Muck it. That has got to be a piss poorly played KK/AA.

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Stop with piss poor advice.
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Old 09-05-2006, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: Party $11 Speed: Push this QQ on 2nd hand?

Why not just call and get in on a non-AK flop? No need to flip with a donk sitting immediately to your right since you'll have ample time later to take chips from him with iso-pushes. I don't think you need to (potentially) flip just yet against AK.
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Old 09-05-2006, 04:16 PM
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Default Re: Party $11 Speed: Push this QQ on 2nd hand?

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Why not just call and get in on a non-AK flop? No need to flip with a donk sitting immediately to your right since you'll have ample time later to take chips from him with iso-pushes. I don't think you need to (potentially) flip just yet against AK.

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And I don't think you should be narrowing his range to AK. Put him on a real range (which includes ample numbers of hands that we absolutely crush), then stop being a wuss and push.
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Old 09-05-2006, 04:17 PM
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MP1 lost t80 on hand #1 and combined with his actions this hand we've already concluded he's a donk. Could he be a donk w/ AA/KK? Yes, but the mere fact that he's a donk widens his range hugely, thus push.

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Old 09-05-2006, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: Party $11 Speed: Push this QQ on 2nd hand?

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Why not just call and get in on a non-AK flop? No need to flip with a donk sitting immediately to your right since you'll have ample time later to take chips from him with iso-pushes. I don't think you need to (potentially) flip just yet against AK.

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And I don't think you should be narrowing his range to AK. Put him on a real range (which includes ample numbers of hands that we absolutely crush), then stop being a wuss and push.

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So rude with so little content...

Yeah, so I don't narrow him down to just AK. My post suggests that of his range, it doesn't matter too much whether we push preflop or on the flop against hands much better than ours (e.g. AA/KK) or much worse than ours (e.g. lower pairs or crazy KQ, AJ). However, it can matter against AK if we have the ability to play post flop poker and not blindly go all-in on flops like AK2.

Also, what's your range for this guy who probably sucks, but did put in two (less than AI) raises out of position? If it includes crap like KJo or 44, you're likely wrong.
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Old 09-05-2006, 04:29 PM
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Default Re: Party $11 Speed: Push this QQ on 2nd hand?

If we're so sure he's a donk, we'll have many other, easier opprotunities to take his money than here. My bet is we're flipping or crushed with no FE against an idiot.

OP, will you PM me the result of this? I'm just curious.
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