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Old 09-04-2006, 05:04 PM
Van Strummer Van Strummer is offline
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Default NL100: KK on paired board, call turn?

Villain is 55/2/0.3 in 50 hands. Can I call the turn push? If not can I call a push from a more aggressive opponent say if villain was 50/20/3 or is this always a fold?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($101.75)
SB ($149.63)
BB ($95.74)
UTG ($87.93)
MP ($29.91)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $9</font>, UTG calls $9.

Turn: ($29.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, UTG calls $73.93 (All-In), Hero ??

Its $54 more to call....
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Old 09-04-2006, 05:12 PM
nitramee nitramee is offline
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Default Re: NL100: KK on paired board, call turn?

0.3 agrro seems low.Looks like 5 is likely here.
I would fold this ,if villan has not pulled this move before with air.
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Old 09-04-2006, 05:12 PM
aditya aditya is offline
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Default Re: NL100: KK on paired board, call turn?

I call. You're getting 2.5 -1 on your money and I don't think you're behind in this situation (based on the given action.) BTW, can someone tell me how to calculate the +EV of things based on the pot odds (i.e how many more time we need to be winning to call this all in and still be plus EV.)
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Old 09-04-2006, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: NL100: KK on paired board, call turn?

If we're getting 2.3-1 to call, we have to win the hand 1/3.3 times or 29% of the time for calling to be breakeven.

OP: Fold.
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Old 09-04-2006, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: NL100: KK on paired board, call turn?

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I call. You're getting 2.5 -1 on your money and I don't think you're behind in this situation (based on the given action.) BTW, can someone tell me how to calculate the +EV of things based on the pot odds (i.e how many more time we need to be winning to call this all in and still be plus EV.)

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Hero can win 123.43 if he calls 53.93. Pot odds are 123.43 : 53.93 or 2.29:1

If Hero wins once every 3.29 tries (i.e. win once, lose 2.29) then he will break even. If Hero wins more often than once every 3.29 tries than it is +EV.

1/3.29 = 30.4%

Hero has to win greater than 30.4% of the time for this call to be +EV.
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Old 09-04-2006, 06:54 PM
Van Strummer Van Strummer is offline
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Default Re: NL100: KK on paired board, call turn?

I called because I was on serious tilt. I don't think I would have done this normally. He showed A4o for the gutshot, and I started to wonder if this call should be standard. Thanks for the replys.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:38 PM
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Default Re: NL100: KK on paired board, call turn?

I personally call here. I know this villain isn't aggressive, but I find these kind of out of the blue attacks from really passive players to be really bad plays in general.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:42 PM
Paul Thomson Paul Thomson is offline
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Default Re: NL100: KK on paired board, call turn?

instacall.

the only hands that beat us is 33 or a poorly played A5s.
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Old 09-04-2006, 08:39 PM
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Default Re: NL100: KK on paired board, call turn?

A5s? More like A5, K5s. We are talking 50 VPIP here.

It's not always a fold. I call this all day from a LAG player because the board has a draw. But not without a read to that effect.
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