played at Casino Arizona last night

[derdo]

changing your playing style after 4-5 hours of unlucky cards/flops is called tilting. Although 3/6, 4/8 at CAZ are easy games, they have a high variance in my opinion. get used to it. In addition, the rake is really high which reduces your win rate.
Next time when you are losing, don't increase your losses by starting to play A6o, Q7s or similar. getting even by playing those hands this time, does not mean that they are winning hands. my 2 cents.

[AKQJ10]

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There is almost no way to protect your hand

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Balderdash.

I need to dig out some of my rants about how people misunderstand protection as blowing people out of pots rather than getting value from their hands.

I found one (in a NL context, but still):

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Why do we protect our hand? Because we want to charge a high enough price that the money we make when the draw doesn't hit rewards us for that frustrating minority of the time when the draw does hit. So, it's a value bet, no?

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In limit you can't charge a price that draws would be incorrect to accept, but you can charge full price given the rules of the game. Charging full price is protecting your hand. You can't, of course, make it incorrect to call like in NL. But you have the other numerous bets from earlier mistakes, so that you and the drawing hand can both play correctly and still get a nice overlay.

[Percula]

I think the biggest mistake most new B&M players (Internet too) is that they pay off a better hand when they know they are beat. If you know you are beat, muck it unless the odds demand a call.

Another big mistake is they play backwards, e.g. your KK hand. They try and get tricky and think "If I raise they will all fold" or "If I raise/bet they will all fold" or "If I raise AK, some jerk will just call with 73o and win anyway". This is no fold'em hold'em at this limit. Raise your big hands and play poker after the flop.

Another... They over think. Most of the players at a typical CA 3/6 to 6/12 table are barely able to understand the most basic concepts of poker. Some talk a good game, like they understand poker, but more times than not, they dont. So dont get too wrapped up in trying to out think the other players. Sit back and watch, see what people are doing, and expect them to do the same thing again and again.

[pig4bill]

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My responce was to pig4bill who gave horrible advice, although its helpful for you as well rontime.

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Uh, what advice did I give him? Read my post again. If you want to infer any "advice", I told him to loosen his starting requirements, if anything.

[Mike]

I found myself at Casino AZ last night too. I played $4-8, only about three hours. The table I was playing at was one of the easiest tables I have played in a long long time.

They were playing at a beginning level which allowed me to open up my hand range a lot. There weren't too many hands that I could not see the flop with.

I saw a lot of common mistakes repeated hand after hand, ie, getting tied to a big and usually any pair, weak kicker, and little or no thought beyond their own hand, no use of position or raising, and best of all no fear of raises. Those who thought they understood the game were more concerned about playing correctly and could not comprehend that the end result is to make $$.

A great example was a hand where I was on the button with 96 suited, not a very good hand, but with seven in the hand before me... I called and flopped a straight and they paid me off to the river, capped on the flop and turn - and not by me! Best hand shown was QQ. Second best hand was a pair of k's which folded on the turn.

I am used to LA style play, so it may be they have rarely encountered my style of play before, and did not have the experience to counter it. At any rate, if you find yourself in Phoenix with a few hours to spare, you should find a good table and make a few $$.

I have no idea if the table I played at was representative or not, but if that was an average table, wow!

[Arbitrage]

Play tight

Play your big hands strong (don't just chek KK in the BB bc youre scared they might fold, you want most of them to fold)

If you're gonna open a pot in lp, OPEN FOR A RAISE!

Limp in multiway pots with suited connectors and suited aces.

Don't overplay tptk on a scary board, it's ok to check call on a coordinated board.

Try not to slowplay in mutliway pots(unless you have the immortal nuts), as ppl will call with backdoor draws if it only cost them 1 small bet.

Try to have fun, this makes the time bw hands go by faster making you less tempted to play marinal hands.

I hope this helps some. I've played alot of low limit and there is alot of vairiance. But with some practice and paitence anyone can be a long-run winner in these games.

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My responce was to pig4bill who gave horrible advice, although its helpful for you as well rontime.

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Uh, what advice did I give him? Read my post again. If you want to infer any "advice", I told him to loosen his starting requirements, if anything.

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Many books tell you to only play premium hands at loose tables

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Small Stakes Hold'em as well as any of S&M's books actually advise against this. The OP was discussing Small Stakes Hold'em and an S&M pre-flop hand chart (which we can assume comes from HPFAP or SSHE since these are the only books that the two of them contributed on that contain starting charts).

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[rontime]

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changing your playing style after 4-5 hours of unlucky cards/flops is called tilting. Although 3/6, 4/8 at CAZ are easy games, they have a high variance in my opinion. get used to it. In addition, the rake is really high which reduces your win rate.
Next time when you are losing, don't increase your losses by starting to play A6o, Q7s or similar. getting even by playing those hands this time, does not mean that they are winning hands. my 2 cents.

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so would you say your a constant winner at 3-6, 4-8 tables? at casino az

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changing your playing style after 4-5 hours of unlucky cards/flops is called tilting. Although 3/6, 4/8 at CAZ are easy games, they have a high variance in my opinion. get used to it. In addition, the rake is really high which reduces your win rate.
Next time when you are losing, don't increase your losses by starting to play A6o, Q7s or similar. getting even by playing those hands this time, does not mean that they are winning hands. my 2 cents.

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so would you say your a constant winner at 3-6, 4-8 tables? at casino az

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I cut my teeth at CA, I used to visit quite often while on business from NYC. Trust me, you can run over those games in the long runif you play optimal strategy. Don't let the results from one session blind you, its all one long game that never ends.

On a related note although you are addressing a specific casino this topic will be much better served in the micro limit or beginners strategy forums where the topic is commonly discussed.

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[Mike]

To whom are you replying to? I had an excellent few hours, 47 bb.