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Old 08-30-2006, 06:12 PM
jus_nutz jus_nutz is offline
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Default 20/180 PS : AQ UTG +1

showing down trips and a 4 o kind recently i have a strong image and pick up AQo .. limp in as i raised many hands - but did so for value .. is my betting pattern too weak shoul i call river raise?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t3870)
Hero (t4150)
MP1 (t6430)
MP2 (t5130)
CO (t6515)
Button (t2495)
SB (t2570)
BB (t1740)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero calls t100, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, CO calls t100, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, BB calls t50, UTG checks

Flop: (t400) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t250</font>, CO calls t250, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG folds</font>

Turn: (t900) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t500</font>, CO calls t500

River: (t1900) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t1000</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to t2000</font>, Hero calls t1000
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Old 08-30-2006, 06:14 PM
Colombo Colombo is offline
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Default Re: 20/180 PS : AQ UTG

raise to 300 preflop, pot the turn. c/c or c/f river depending on hsi bet.
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Old 08-30-2006, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: 20/180 PS : AQ UTG

i wouldn't want to, but its pretty aparent he sucked out on you. Just my opinion.
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Old 08-30-2006, 07:54 PM
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Default Re: 20/180 PS : AQ UTG +1

The limp is OK, but raising preflop is more standard.

I like it OK, except I would check the river. Villain was likely on a flush draw and could be already ahead. He could call with a weaker ace or something. But I would check and let him do the betting here.

As played, I would call the miniraise on the river, even though you are probably beat. The odds are too good at this point.
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Old 08-30-2006, 09:39 PM
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Default Re: 20/180 PS : AQ UTG +1

Betting river is ok if you fold to a raise. If that's not something you want to do then check, paying off a raise with tptk when a flush hits is bad.

Rest is ok but I think raising pf makes the hand easier to play.
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Old 08-30-2006, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: 20/180 PS : AQ UTG +1

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Betting river is ok if you fold to a raise. If that's not something you want to do then check, paying off a raise with tptk when a flush hits is bad.

Rest is ok but I think raising pf makes the hand easier to play.

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Checking the river is much better. You generally lose less if you are behind. Villain may even bluff or value bet a weaker hand.
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Old 08-30-2006, 10:11 PM
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Default Re: 20/180 PS : AQ UTG +1

It depends, do you plan on c/c'ing or c/f'ing? I think a c/f is better because I don't see what he would be bluffing with.

For a villain to bluff he pretty much needs a missed draw (QJ?), unless he was floating with air which is extremely rare.

So almost always villain has a weaker ace or a flush by not raising turn. Almost everything else folds/raises turn. Ace usually checks behind and a flush will raise you. $20/180 players almost never make fancy river plays, if you bet AQ here I think you can expect a call from an ace or a raise from a flush.

Of course, if an ace folds, checking is better.
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Old 08-30-2006, 10:12 PM
Brandonjp13 Brandonjp13 is offline
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Default Re: 20/180 PS : AQ UTG +1

I think your beat on the river with the mini-raise but I likely call it anyways and hope he's bluffing the flush or two pair or something.


I might bet more on the flop to be honest, if someones calling with a weak ace(as the CO may do) then a bigger bet gives worse odds to anyone chasing the flush from BB or UTG, although by their folds it appears that wasn't a problem but we didn't know that then. I dunno seems like most people think you did fine so maybe i'm offbeat here.
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