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#13
08-30-2006, 01:47 PM
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Re: Facing All-In with Huge Draw
Even against a set you were 40% to win and have the pot odds to make this call.
Against a shorty, it just doesn't make sense to lay this down. 
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#14
08-30-2006, 01:49 PM
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Re: Facing All-In with Huge Draw
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[ QUOTE ] Villian has T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and turn & river are bricks and I don't get there [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Welcome to my club! Don't worry... that's why we play with 35 buy-ins. [/ QUOTE ]
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#15
08-30-2006, 01:53 PM
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Re: Facing All-In with Huge Draw
After last night it's going to start being 50!
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#16
08-30-2006, 02:06 PM
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Re: Facing All-In with Huge Draw
I call here to with all those outs you really have to.
My question for some of the others here is this...If you were talking to the guy with the TTT you would probably tell him to push like he did, right? So are both answers right? or is one better than the other? I would think you get your money in when you are ahead and if it is a coin toss then it is not correct to call? In other words after the flop you will usually have a greater idea of your pot equity. If you have close to 50% pot equity don't you want to be the one betting or raising rather than the one calling? Thanks for the thoughts everyone.
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#18
08-30-2006, 02:14 PM
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Re: Facing All-In with Huge Draw
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I call here to with all those outs you really have to. My question for some of the others here is this...If you were talking to the guy with the TTT you would probably tell him to push like he did, right? So are both answers right? or is one better than the other? I would think you get your money in when you are ahead and if it is a coin toss then it is not correct to call? In other words after the flop you will usually have a greater idea of your pot equity. If you have close to 50% pot equity don't you want to be the one betting or raising rather than the one calling? Thanks for the thoughts everyone. [/ QUOTE ] When the pots build up, sometimes the odds make that both players best interest is just to push it all in and pray that 1) it holds up or 2) you catch one of your outs. Luck is still an important factor in poker and this is a good example...
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#19
08-30-2006, 02:19 PM
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Re: Facing All-In with Huge Draw
What Vinny said: the EV here comes from the dead money and FE (which doesn't exist for Pred and doesn't really exist for the TT guy either) so it's possible that both players are +EV. The hands themselves are a coin toss, but with the redraws TT is slightly ahead.
Both hands can wait for the turn for higher equity but then they risk not being able to get the money in. This is not as much of a concern here but it's a big issue when the stacks are deeper.
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