TT river check-call

[jba]

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What makes you think he has an 8 or J?

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I don't.
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What bluffs from busted draws are you inducing on the river?

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From busted pair draws. And set draws. This board is unimpressive. When I check to “induce a bluff”, this opponent will bet a lot of hands not as bluffs, but because he thinks he has the best hand. There isn’t a lot of pure air he makes it to showdown with here after cold calling preflop (so low rags are very unlikely). I get bets from any ace most of the time, any king a fair amount, definitely from A4/A6, Q10 sometimes, 99/77/55 a lot; and the majority of these hands fold to a bet.

I am not checking to induce a bluff, but to indicate false weakness. And the average (unknown) SSSH player pounces on that far too fast.

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wait a sec.. you think there are hands that he will bet for value if you check but fold if you bet? if hero has AK you think a bet is good?

[lxdx]

Yes, as long as we are talking about an unknown (I assume a little too loose with a poor understanding of aggression). I think you give a little too much credit to the average player. He’s not thinking “value bet”; he’s thinking, “aha! aggressive guy stopped betting, his hand must not be that good. My (bottom pair/A high/K high?) might be good after all. Bet.” They’re not thinking “a bet only gets called by hands that beat me.” If you fold, they still get to see the chips sliding their way. That’s a win to them, plain and simple. Hell, I though that way far too long into my playing days. That’s how I assume unknowns are thinking, anyway.

Very good question with AK. I think it’s very close. Check calling still induces bets from the same hands, but now you lose more often than with 10s with that line. Not sure if I think he folds low pairs more often when I bet or bets weaker aces more often when I check. Maybe avoiding a bluff raise (while very very rare I think) tips the scales to checking? My line would have been to bet, but I hadn’t really thought it through before. My guess is there is very minimal long term consequence.

[theflyingcow]

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My standard procedure is to open up 10 windows 30-60 minutes before I intend to play, get the auto-import going and then come back later.

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What sites still allow this to work?

[RustyBrooks]

PartyPoker, if you use the tool to load observed hands. It's called freephg or something like that. I can send it to you if you like, pm me. It might work with party skins also, not sure.

UltimateBet, FullTilt both allow this. UB actually lets you pull up hands you weren't observing, so I have a tool that will pull up the last 100 hands for me.

I've played 95% of my hands on these 3 sites.