Live Final Table....Did I deserve this abuse?

umistboy · #1 08-24-2006, 06:00 AM

The Situation:

Local live Tourney (£10 buy-in - very small stakes) with around 40 entrants. There are 8 left at final table where I am 3rd/4th in chips. I have around 30k with 1k/2k blinds. Top 4 are paid.

There is a player in the cut off with just 2k left (he lost an all-in call a couple of hands ago).

The hand:

Me: Big blind
Abuser: Small blind

The cards are dealt and it folds around to cut-off guy with 2k left. He calls and goes all-in. Button folds small blind (abuser) makes up the blind. I see Ks 5s and check.

Flop: Jd 7s 3s

I now have flush draw and when small blind checks i check also. At this stage I am aware that myself and the abuser (small blind) are checking down in the hope of eliminating the third player.

Turn: Jd 7s 3s 6h

No spade and no King. Both abuser (small-blind) and myself again check.

River: Jd 7s 3s 6h 4c

I luckily manage to hit gutshot straight and now feel that I am ahead in the hand. I am aware that we have both been checking down in order to eliminate the other player, but now I have a made hand I decide to place a small bet. I always understood the unwritten rule as you only bet when you make your hand, not that you don't bet at all.

I bet 3k into the 6k pot (min bet 2k).

At this point the small blind gets very angry stating that I shouldn't be betting at all, but he then raises me up to 10k.

I thought that he migght be playing me with the 5-8 nuts and so just call. He shows J9o and I take the pot.

This guy then goes ballistic saying " Haven't you ever heard of checking to eliminate a player?" I anserwed that I was fully aware of the practice but also understood that you then bet when your hand is made.

I also pointed out that I thought he should have bet me out on the flop when he hit his Jacks. I also mentioned that I only committed him to 3k at most, he chose to put 10k in. He was extrememly aggressive and when he bust-out the next hand with AK he stormed off mouthing various obscenities in my direction.

Was I out of order? Should I have just checked?

Thanks for any advice guys. Keep up the good work.

dumbmother · #2 08-24-2006, 06:06 AM

looks good to me

umistboy · #3 08-24-2006, 06:12 AM

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So do you think I was in the right to bet?

Thanks for quick reply.

SavageMiser · #4 08-24-2006, 06:28 AM

Eight left, money at four, you do what you want with your chips. The aim is to get more chips, not eliminate a short stack. Your villian was out of line, but there's no need to tell him that if he's willing to throw chips your way.

umistboy · #5 08-24-2006, 06:36 AM

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Eight left, money at four, you do what you want with your chips. The aim is to get more chips, not eliminate a short stack. Your villian was out of line, but there's no need to tell him that if he's willing to throw chips your way.

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That's exactly the point I made. Thanks.

QuadGS · #6 08-24-2006, 06:42 AM

Nothing wrong, maybe a reraise [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

beenben · #7 08-24-2006, 06:54 AM

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the fact that he was mad at you was a strong tell that you had him beat. the only thing you did wrong was not re-raising him all in. If he's got the nuts, so be it.

purp · #8 08-24-2006, 07:24 AM

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He was extrememly aggressive and when he bust-out the next hand with AK he stormed off mouthing various obscenities in my direction.

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I hope you laughed to yourself when he did this? and nothing wrong in what you did.

umistboy · #9 08-24-2006, 07:24 AM

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Nothing wrong, maybe a reraise [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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the fact that he was mad at you was a strong tell that you had him beat. the only thing you did wrong was not re-raising him all in. If he's got the nuts, so be it.

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I thought this straight after. Although I was very happy with my return for the hand anyway. Especially as it hit me luckily on the river and initially only wanted to extract 3k.

umistboy · #10 08-24-2006, 07:35 AM

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He was extrememly aggressive and when he bust-out the next hand with AK he stormed off mouthing various obscenities in my direction.

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I hope you laughed to yourself when he did this? and nothing wrong in what you did.

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I'm not a weak or timid person myself so I basically told him in no uncertain terms to F*@k-off. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] He carried on walking.

I basically wanted some reassurance that I fully understood this practice as it seemed a few around the table sympathised with him a little although they were happy with me to move my chips as I saw fit.

I knew I was right though. Cheers guys. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]