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08-22-2006, 12:36 AM
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JQs on button. Is this a fold preflop w/ no reads?
PartyPoker - $2/$4 Texas - 8 players (Converter: PGC)
Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] PreFlop <font color="blue">UTG folds</font>, <font color="blue">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="blue">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="red">MP2 RAISES</font>, <font color="blue">CO folds</font>, <font color="blue">Hero folds</font> <font color="blue">SB folds</font>, <font color="blue">BB folds</font> Final Pot:1.75 BB If I do play this am I 3-betting here or ccing. Thanks. 
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#2
08-22-2006, 12:44 AM
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Re: JQs on button. Is this a fold preflop w/ no reads?
Without anyone else in the pot it's an easy fold. You're going to be well behind his range and have a hard time finding odds to draw to any big hands.
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#3
08-22-2006, 12:46 AM
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Re: JQs on button. Is this a fold preflop w/ no reads?
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Without anyone else in the pot it's an easy fold. You're going to be well behind his range and have a hard time finding odds to draw to any big hands. [/ QUOTE ]
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#5
08-22-2006, 12:54 AM
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Re: JQs on button. Is this a fold preflop w/ no reads?
Easy fold with no reads. I would probably raise if he was a LAG.
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#6
08-22-2006, 01:46 AM
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Re: JQs on button. Is this a fold preflop w/ no reads?
I think this is a fold, but I don't think it's nearly as obvious as people are saying. I'd typically 3bet this if it was the CO who open-raised. No, you're not that far ahead equity-speaking (if at all) but you don't need cards to win with a cbet on the flop, and you have enough hand strength to fall back on if it comes to that.
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#7
08-22-2006, 04:52 PM
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Re: JQs on button. Is this a fold preflop w/ no reads?
This is somewhat related to the coldcalling discussion I started. The consensus there has been that QJs is a fold unless you're certain it's going to be 4-way or more. Personally, I think this is too loose because there are so many raising hands dominating you and presumably the other hands are somewhat playable which further taints your hand.
The CO situation is an interesting idea but without a read suggesting a lighter semi-steal hand, I don't think this is even close for 2-3 bets.
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#8
08-22-2006, 09:43 PM
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Re: JQs on button. Is this a fold preflop w/ no reads?
If you're playing this hand it's not as a draw. You're playing it because pfr is raising light trying to steal the blinds, and you want to play against him with position and try to take it down on the flop, but with a decent hand so you're not screwed if he does happen to have something.
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#9
08-23-2006, 06:37 AM
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Re: JQs on button. Is this a fold preflop w/ no reads?
Sure and I addressed that. You're taking the default position that the PFR is a crap hand and without a read, I think it's a bad idea to assume that the average player has no hand. On balance, I think this is a losing play.
Situationally against position-aware players, I like the 3-bet isolation.
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