So how did you bust out?

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OK let me visualize the hand for you -

A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Board

Bad beat poster T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Other Guy A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

So after the flop their hands Are pair of 55s with AKT kicker
and Trip 5s with T, ace kicker. If an ace comes, the trips turn into a full house, and the pair of fives turn into two pair. But a king came. So he has KK55A - two pair. an ace on the river gives him 55AAK. So he needs the running kings on the turn and river so that it is 555AT vs. KKK55.

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I didn't think calculator would load at work, but it did. I hope you can read the results without "visualization".

Flop:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1925975
pokenum -h 5d tc - as kc -- ac 5s 5h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5s Ac 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Tc 5d 902 91.11 88 8.89 0 0.00 0.911
As Kc 88 8.89 902 91.11 0 0.00 0.089.

Turn:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1925977
pokenum -h 5d tc - as kc -- ac 5s 5h kd
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing 5s Ac Kd 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Tc 5d 40 90.91 4 9.09 0 0.00 0.909
As Kc 4 9.09 40 90.91 0 0.00 0.091

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Tc 5d 902 91.11 88 8.89 0 0.00 0.911
As Kc 88 8.89 902 91.11 0 0.00 0.089.


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that's what I said in my original post.

and the rest of it, i don't know i'm tired. I rechecked and your're right. never mind.

[Rick Diesel]

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100/200/25. Weak-tight guy who limps a little too much but folds way too much limps. BB who likes to telegraph what he's doing is clearly uninterested. I make it 1k from the sb with T5o. bb folds, weak tight guy calls. I started with ~8500, he covers. Flop A55. I bet 1300, he moves in, I beat him into the pot. Table chuckles when I turn over T5o, he shows AK. Turn K. River K.

Steve

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stats - when the $$ went in 91.11 vs. 8.89, After the turn card, 97.73 vs. 2.27.

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I think you have those backwards, after the turn the guy has 4 outs out of 44 cards giving him 1/11 shot of winning or around 91 vs 9. Actually I think your numbers aer just flat out wrong

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the numbers are from the calculator at the websiite of card player magazine. after the turn card, there is one king left in the deck and he needs that one card. so now it's 1/44 = .022727272727272727....273

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Say what? Why wouldn't an Ace win it for him too? There are 2 aces and 2 kings left in the deck, so he's about 8% to hit on the turn.

On the flop he's drawing a lot thinner than 9% too. Unless he's got a backdoor flush draw there are only 5 turn cards which will give him a draw to a 4 outer. So that would be odds of 5/45 * 4/44 = 1% chance on the flop, or the equivalent to a 0.25 out draw.

Not sure if this was a joke post maybe but if so I don't get the sarcasm.

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Wow you are wrong also, his odds aren't that bad on the flop, remember an A on the turn or river is already 2 outs, so he definately has more odds than what you listed.

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OK let me visualize the hand for you -

A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Board

Bad beat poster T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Other Guy A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

So after the flop their hands Are pair of 55s with AKT kicker
and Trip 5s with T, ace kicker. If an ace comes, the trips turn into a full house, and the pair of fives turn into two pair. But a king came. So he has KK55A - two pair. an ace on the river gives him 55AAK. So he needs the running kings on the turn and river so that it is 555AT vs. KKK55.

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I am still trying to figure out if this is a joke or not.

[happyjaypee]

I got angled by Kathy liebert...

see other thread here: Kathy Liebert's Angle

[BraveJayhawk]

Day 4

2K/4K

3 players limp... I moved in for 98K in an attempt to pick up the blinds and antees with T9o. 3rd limper called with AJo, flopped an Ace.

[Tyler Durden]

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Day 4

2K/4K

3 players limp... I moved in for 98K in an attempt to pick up the blinds and antees with T9o. 3rd limper called with AJo, flopped an Ace.

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this doesn't seem like a good play.

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Day 4

2K/4K

3 players limp... I moved in for 98K in an attempt to pick up the blinds and antees with T9o. 3rd limper called with AJo, flopped an Ace.

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this doesn't seem like a good play.

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It's not that bad. 98K to win a 21K pot. If you pick up the pot half the time, and you win 37% when called, you are even. I would rather have a little stronger hand to make this play with though, not a big hand, but a typical restealing hand.

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If its a move-in from the BB you also have to consider that sometimes you will win the 21k by just checking and flopping good.

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If its a move-in from the BB you also have to consider that sometimes you will win the 21k by just checking and flopping good.

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There is some value in seeing a flop in the BB with T9o, but it is probably worth like 2000 chips to you. The push may or may not be cEV+ or $EV+, but it is a borderline play, similar to an open push steal or a push resteal. Tyler's response implied it was a real donk play, which it wasn't.

[Milo]

Overplayed KK. No suckouts. No bad rivers. No bad beats. Was chip leader at the table with 24K to start round 4. Had played well (even check-raised Barry Greenstein twice, admittedly with the best hand) and was doing well. Reraised with KK, got called, dude flopped a set on me and played well. I played poorly.