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Old 08-16-2006, 03:15 AM
FeltBelt FeltBelt is offline
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Default QQ hand against a very tricky player

Villian is 36/17/2.8. He's extraordinarily tricky. My first note on him says "major FPS". I have to raise this river, right?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($604.56)
SB ($189.26)
BB ($618.82)
Hero ($435.30)
MP ($384)
CO ($99.38)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $16, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $14, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($64) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls $60.

Turn: ($184) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($184) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $40</font>, Hero calls $40.

Final Pot: $264
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Old 08-16-2006, 04:59 AM
LegallyBlind LegallyBlind is offline
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Default Re: QQ hand against a very tricky player

flop bet is quite extreme considering the action is four-way. I would raise the river though. if he has quads/KK/AA more power to him, but you beat everything else
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Old 08-16-2006, 05:10 AM
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Default Re: QQ hand against a very tricky player

Definitely. But the last time I didn't pay off quads was I think last year... still, raise to 100 at least.

Kirk
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:07 AM
Caribbean Steve Caribbean Steve is offline
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Default Re: QQ hand against a very tricky player

Raising the river is a must! you can't be a affaid of a 10 or the only two top pairs to beat you! You showed weakest on the turn and thats why he's leaning on you.. The check on the turn in my opinion was a good check.. but on the River is Call was way too passive..
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:09 AM
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Default Re: QQ hand against a very tricky player

I think $110 is a good number to make it on the river. If he pushes I would highly consider folding as a 9 never pushes here.
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:24 AM
MATT111 MATT111 is offline
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Default Re: QQ hand against a very tricky player

This is tough. Is he paying you off here with an 8, 9, straight? If he is the thinking type of villain what hands does he beat with those holdings you want to raise on the river?

I just call this river bet as I feel the risk/reward ratio is unfavourable here.
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:28 AM
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Default Re: QQ hand against a very tricky player

What about pushing river, zeebo style?
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:30 AM
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Default Re: QQ hand against a very tricky player

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What about pushing river, zeebo style?

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I hate this. A 9 is smart enough to get away at this point and everything else calls and stacks us in a monster pot.

$110,$120, what have you is the correct raise. If he raises us he pretty much flips his cards over and tells us we are beat.
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:40 AM
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Default Re: QQ hand against a very tricky player

shoving is not bad and i would do it a lot of the time
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:51 AM
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Default Re: QQ hand against a very tricky player

if he pushed, I'd set him all-in
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