$22: Can you fold here?

[morphball]

Why are you posting a hand you didn't play, especially if you already know you'd play it differently

Something reeks in the state of Denmark

[tboss888]

Maybe its just short term thinking, UTG+1 flipped up a pair of nines and sucked out on the turn, lately I have seen a lot of non ace hands and am wondering whether not folding kings could be +EV. And no, this wasn't me.

[Nyb123]

The blinds are small and the pot is not that big on the flop so I would say easy fold on the flop.

50 % of the time I raise all-in preflop with KK and 50 % of the time I rase 15xBB pre-flop. It's unbeliveable what hands people are willing to gamble with early on.

[wpr101]

So you folded kings preflop to a small raise? Either your terrible at poker this was a stupid joke.

[infinite_loop]

The only thing I needed to see:

SB is in Button with K K

No.

[wuwei]

There are scenarios where this play is optimal, but involves spots where the ratio of one of the stacks involved to the pot is close to 1:1. This is not the case here, so I would bet the flop and end the hand there.

[async]

I could see a cbet, a c/f, or perhaps even calling a bet on the flop here. A c/r here seems insane unless you're sure somehow you're ahead. (And I don't see how you'd know that unless you "knew" that the villain only bet >PSBs if he had <TP)

[skegvegaspoker]

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Preflop: SB is in Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]


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Almost made my head pop....

[mornelth]

C-bet the flop, fold to resistance.

Against a villain who tends to underbet his big hands I may check-call this flop to see if I pick up a straight or flush draw on the turn, but we're talking about a guy who's likely to bet no more than 80 into a pot of 720... Rare.

[tboss888]

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Preflop: SB is in Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]


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Almost made my head pop....

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***** Hand History for Game 4954499586 *****
0/0 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 27413487) - Tue Aug 15 14:41:21 EDT 2006
Table Speed (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: tboss888 (2640)
Seat 2: PhshOn (2310)
Seat 3: KpHoops33 (2000)
Seat 4: winrdinr69r (1960)
Seat 5: vulkan11 (1880)
Seat 6: ale5679 (1760)
Seat 7: luckydaze (1350)
Seat 8: EnderWigg1n (1940)
Seat 9: bucketbum (2370)
Seat 10: Snakesheet (1790)
PhshOn posts small blind (20)
KpHoops33 posts big blind (40)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to tboss888 [ 8h, 4d ]
winrdinr69r folds.
vulkan11 folds.
ale5679 could not respond in time.(disconnected)
ale5679 folds.
luckydaze folds.
EnderWigg1n calls (40)
bucketbum raises (120) to 120
Snakesheet folds.
tboss888 folds.
PhshOn raises (330) to 350
KpHoops33 folds.
EnderWigg1n folds.
bucketbum calls (230)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ts, Ad, 7d ]
PhshOn checks.
bucketbum bets (780)
PhshOn raises (1960) to 1960
PhshOn is all-In.
bucketbum calls (1180)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Js ]
Creating Main Pot with $4700 with PhshOn
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4700 |
Board: [ Ts Ad 7d 9c Js ]

tboss888 balance 2640, didn't bet (folded)
PhshOn balance 0, lost 2310 [ Kc Kd ] [ a pair of kings -- Ad,Kc,Kd,Js,Ts ]
KpHoops33 balance 1960, lost 40 (folded)
winrdinr69r balance 1960, didn't bet (folded)
vulkan11 balance 1880, didn't bet (folded)
ale5679 balance 1760, didn't bet (folded)
luckydaze balance 1350, didn't bet (folded)
EnderWigg1n balance 1900, lost 40 (folded)
bucketbum balance 4760, bet 2310, collected 4700, net +2390 [ Td Tc ] [ three of a kind, tens -- Ad,Js,Td,Tc,Ts ]
Snakesheet balance 1790, didn't bet (folded)

For all you non-believers. Oh and he flopped a set, not turned one like I thought earlier.