$109s Stupid Preflop AA Question - Page 4

b33nz · #31 08-15-2006, 09:37 PM

just make a good sized raise... jeez.

Nyb123 · #32 08-15-2006, 10:15 PM

I make it 5-6 times BB.

Pudge714 · #33 08-15-2006, 11:34 PM

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just make a good sized raise... jeez.

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Do you intentionally respond to old posts?

async · #34 08-16-2006, 04:01 AM

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I find it interesting that I'm getting fairly varied answers from respected posters, and with no real reasoning behind any of it. I'm aware reasoning here is kind of weird because it's such a simple hand and our opponents give us little information, but if people could elaborate and there thought process a little more here, that would be great.

The other alternative is wait for Curtains to post and follow him blindly.

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making it 350 is reraising to just over the pot size. this is optimal. you are forcing your opponents to make a mistake by calling such a big raise and this will likely thin the field to just 1 or 2 callers from my experience. raising to 500 bloats the pot and doesnt allow a whole lot of room to escape if something happens, i feel like its spewing just a bit. shoving i just dont think gets called enough to be profitable and i dont know if the pot is big enough to warrant just ending it now by shoving. finally, by making it 350 you do all of the above and make the pot big enough that you can get it AI and allow TP/other random draw or hand to pay you off on the flop where the pot IS big enough to warrant pushing, but not so big that you cant get away from a terrible flop or heavy action where its clear youre beat.

also, curtains told me to post this [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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This would offer underpairs nearly 8:1 to call if they believe they can stack you when they flop a set. 9:1 if there's an additional caller. And you are then oop, with a substantially large pot. Let's say CO+1 and the SB call, and the flop is K97 two-tone. SB Checks. What's your play? I'm not really liking the reverse implied odds for the AA here. The pot is now T1400, and what are you going to bet here that pushes out a draw but doesn't leave you committed? Or are you going to check it with 2 other people in the pot? If you, say, lead T600, can you now fold when CO+1 comes back over the top all-in? What if SB calls and then leads the turn? There's just a lot of ambiguity here.

It seems like the T350 raise is +cEV, but as Sklansky says, the chips you win are worth less than the chips you lose. Consequently, it seems possible the T350 raise is borderline enough to make it a +cEV -$EV move. Even making it T450 goes a long way to making sure no one has the correct odds to call you.

Anyhow, that's why I'd be wary about only making it T350 to go here. But I'm interested in knowing why I'm wrong, which seems likely. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

schwza · #35 08-16-2006, 05:50 AM

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just make a good sized raise... jeez.

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Do you intentionally respond to old posts?

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he'll get back to you in a couple weeks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

fwiw, i would either raise to 300-350 or push. i'd usually just go to ~325.

skegvegaspoker · #36 08-16-2006, 06:12 AM

I prefer a raise to about 475. The best result for you would be someone thinking you are trying to steal the dead money, and I believe those people will be more suspicious if you raise slightly more. This, combined with the fact that the big raise is less likely to set off the dreaded dominoes, means we need a 450-500 raise.

b33nz · #37 08-16-2006, 07:18 AM

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just make a good sized raise... jeez.

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Do you intentionally respond to old posts?

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sorry if that didnt come out right.. but you would have to try if you wanted to play this hand wrong... any raise more than 5x is good...

Ace Eleven · #38 08-16-2006, 07:53 AM

Overbet a little extra, might be read as weak - 420 - 480 to go

wpr101 · #39 08-16-2006, 07:56 AM

Raise to 320 I'd say.

bigt439 · #40 08-16-2006, 09:50 AM

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just make a good sized raise... jeez.

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he'll get back to you in a couple weeks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

fwiw, i would either raise to 300-350 or push. i'd usually just go to ~325.

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I'd love this thread to keep going because I strongly disagreee with the ~300-325 crowd. Any thoughts on why you'd do that? I kind of posted why I don't like it above.