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Old 08-15-2006, 11:42 AM
Vinny80 Vinny80 is offline
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Default I think this is pure spewage

Ok... I'm turning weak-tight all of a sudden... My goal on that hand was to get a little pot-control and try to reach a showdown for cheap. Villain is 58/0/1.5 over only 50 hands. I hate that hand, but still have no idea how to play my jacks oop... please help!

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $16.97
Hero: $50
CO: $48.75
Button: $92.64
SB: $64.74
BB: $57.90

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, CO calls, 4 folds.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($16.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $8</font>, Hero calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($32.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $9</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $50.25
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Old 08-15-2006, 11:47 AM
CappyAA CappyAA is offline
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Default Re: I think this is pure spewage

This is no doubt a tough spot to be in. You got to showdown rather cheaply, so that is a good thing. I'm not giving villain credit for a hand better than mine though. I probably block the turn and river here and fold to any aggression back at me. I don't think this is as much spewing as you think.
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Old 08-15-2006, 11:48 AM
allaboutmyfetti allaboutmyfetti is offline
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Default Re: I think this is pure spewage

going passive like this just lets villian value bet you to death. I would bet like 10 on turn &amp; make a blocking bet on the river. You can't really do pot control OOP, the villian acting behind you will dictate pot size.
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Old 08-15-2006, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: I think this is pure spewage

Bet the turn, raised = fold. Block bet river.
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Old 08-15-2006, 11:51 AM
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Default Re: I think this is pure spewage

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Bet the turn, raised = fold. Block bet river.

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I agree with the above, I also agree with cappy, it's a tough spot to be in.
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Old 08-15-2006, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: I think this is pure spewage

I'm betting that turn against this villian most of the time. The check is ok, but in that case I think you need to lead the river for about 1/3 PSB to value bet/block.

In the end you paid about as much as the hand is worth to showdown. But if villian bet a little stronger, I think you might be losing overall with this line.
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:05 PM
c_strong c_strong is offline
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Default Re: I think this is pure spewage

Bet $12 on the turn. The 6 probably helped you more than him, and he seems the type to call down with any piece, probably any draw (although it's difficult to tell from his stats over 50 hands). Check/call the river seems fine to me.
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:10 PM
The White Rabbit The White Rabbit is offline
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Default Re: I think this is pure spewage

I bet ~10 on turn and c/c a blank river.

Don't know why you consider this spewage, you're ahead here most of the time.
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:22 PM
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Default Re: I think this is pure spewage

His vpip makes me expect to see A8 and maybe even K8 alot here
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:30 PM
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Bet the turn, raised = fold. Value bet river.

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