B&M SNGs

[supersoldier]

Does anybody have any experience with these? Using the Borgata for example, on a scale of 1 to 10, how soft are the sit and go's there? Any difference in level of play between the 60+15 and the 120+20?

The 60 pays 500 for 1st, so 1 win out of 6 entries is a profit of $50, not including 2nd place cashes ($100).

The 120 pays 1000 for 1st, so 1 win out of 7 is a profit of $20, not including 2nd place cashes ($200).

Leaning more towards the 120, it would be seemingly easy to make this profitable for a good STT'er. By profitable, I mean winning 1.5 to 2+ out of 7 entries average, with a few 2nd place finshes.

Can any of you profitable STT players give me some input on my thoughts here? I'm moving to NJ, about 30 min from AC in about 45 days.

[cakewalk]

look at the rake. no thank you.

[vbm]

Yeah I just got back from Vegas and didnt play one sng. The rake and super fast structure (less hands than a turbo online) means that I couldnt see how it could be profitable in the long run to play these.

[Confused1]

At the MGM, I played two. The rake was horrible and the blinds DOUBLE every 5 minutes or whatever....

As slow as 'live' is, that means you get MAYBE 18 hands and it's over. The games I played had huge fish in them, but one of them had two other 2+2 STTers too. One of the STTers busted one hand, the next hand we all went out. I made a +EV ICM push with about 2/3 of an average stack and the huge blind about to get 1/3 of that. The other 2+2er left overpushed (I liked that, I was ahead). He was called by two more people, 5 handed, for all or almost all their chips. I can't remember the best hand, but nobody had a pair or two jack or higher. Best hand was something like A6.

I won the other one...only one other person there knew what was happening and when it got three handed, I had a good one when he moved.

[aujoz]

they tend to be identical everywhere.

a) players are about as good as party's $6 tournaments

b) the structure is incredibly fast, hard to beat, etc.

c) the rake is incredibly high

[BoomerWard]

i can tell you that taj mahal's SNGs are a joke in atlantic city. it's bingo. You get 1,000 chips I think it is, and you start 25/50 blinds, and in ten minutes it's 50/100. People get any ace and fire all in. It's not poker, it's a joke.

[supersoldier]

How about with t2500 to start with blinds 25/50 to start, and 15 minute levels? Consistently beatable, or still no?

[splashpot]

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How about with t2500 to start with blinds 25/50 to start, and 15 minute levels? Consistently beatable, or still no?

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Any game that has players who play imperfectly is beatable. Whether or not a game is profitable depends on how high the rake is. Some games have so much rake that it's virtually impossible to make enough to cover the rake. So it's impossible to know if a game is profitable without knowing the rake.

As for the OP, the best live sng I ever played was a WSOP satalite. $125 buyin and $1150 prizepool(I think).

[BlueEcho]

The only reasonible SNG style tournament I have ever seen at a B&M is done in a shootout style tournament. 2500 chips 30 min limits and start at 25/25. The problem is all that work ( 4 hrs.) only got me double my buy-in and then I had to play all the other 32 winners in a regular style tournament for the big money.

Granted I realize this is not a standard SNG but it is the only situation that I can think of where live play even gets close to the internet in terms of numbers of hands played along with chip count and limit levels.

[Bishop22]

B&M SNGs are very profitable despite the rake. The problem is more the wait time than the rake which kills hourly rate. The rake is actually not that bad at the next few levels at the Borgata 250+20 500+30 1000+40. Living so close to AC it would be in your best interest to learn another game with the obvious choice being NLHE as you can probably beat 1-2 while you learning and the jump from 1-2 to 5-10 doesn't take all that long.