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Old 08-13-2006, 05:15 PM
Quadz Quadz is offline
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Default Final 3 Stars 180man Am I forced to call here?

SB is a solid player, BB is a bit loose and pushed with many speculative hands. I figure if I call SB can call with his big stack and he's shown he has a decent hand already. If I fold, I will either get a guaranteed second playing heads up with a low stack against a solid player, or I will be left with a low stack vs these two guys. The one thing favorable is that BB has less chips than me and I don't mind SB winning the hand and me getting second. Do the circumstances change in this hand if BB has me covered?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (3 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero (t44189)
SB (t183633)
BB (t42178)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t12000</font>, SB calls t10500, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t42028
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Old 08-13-2006, 05:21 PM
Imrahil Imrahil is offline
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Default Re: Final 3 Stars 180man Am I forced to call here?

Why did you raise to 4xBB? I'd just fold it.
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Old 08-13-2006, 05:33 PM
Brandonjp13 Brandonjp13 is offline
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Default Re: Final 3 Stars 180man Am I forced to call here?

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Why did you raise to 4xBB? I'd just fold it.

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You'd fold ATo from the button 3 handed, What would have to have to open there?

Anyways I don't agree. I probably fold here and hope the big stack wipes out the All-in. You might be folding the best hand but I think it's worth it, if you acn get the shorty to bust while still having ~30K in chips you just need 2 Double ups to be back wrist deep in the action with 120K and heads up that can happen on back to back hands regardless of what the cards are. If You fold and the biggy folds then your kinda in trouble but you still have 30K in chips and aren't out of it yet.
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Old 08-13-2006, 06:25 PM
Schaapy Schaapy is offline
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Default Re: Final 3 Stars 180man Am I forced to call here?

I definitely wouldn't of bet 4bb's, and I would like to get heads up to increase my chances of winning. So I would of bet 2.5 to 3 bets, and when that guy came over the top, I would let the other guys go at it.
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Old 08-13-2006, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: Final 3 Stars 180man Am I forced to call here?

Cram now, but you damn well did it to yourself by opening for so much preflop.
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Old 08-13-2006, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: Final 3 Stars 180man Am I forced to call here?

And who says SB is automatically going to win the hand?
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Old 08-13-2006, 07:02 PM
Imrahil Imrahil is offline
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Default Re: Final 3 Stars 180man Am I forced to call here?

Noooooooooooooooooo. I mean I would raise to 3xBB with ATo in this position but I would fold to the re-raise all-in.
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Old 08-13-2006, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: Final 3 Stars 180man Am I forced to call here?

This is an absolute fold. The BB is telling you you're beat, don't fight it. And yeah a smaller opening raise next time.
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Old 08-13-2006, 07:51 PM
DeeKay DeeKay is offline
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Default Re: Final 3 Stars 180man Am I forced to call here?

Is it a mistake to jam preflop? I dunno, I just haaaaaaaaaaaaate betting 1/4 my stack only to have to fold with the action (which, I believe is correct in this spot.) I also agree w/JCool - if you're not gonna jam preflop, raise to 9k.
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Old 08-13-2006, 07:56 PM
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Default Re: Final 3 Stars 180man Am I forced to call here?

I usually just shove PF with 42k here.
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