PLO8 $50 : weak flush with position on the river

[vingte]

Hi,

Nobody shows strength on the river. I'm on the Button and I've got a weak flush. Since nobody bets that card, I'm 70% sure I've got the best high and I think it's possible that nobody has got the nuts low (most of them bet a nuts low). Should I bet (If yes how much ?) or is a check fine ? My question is perhaps results oriented ...

PLO8 $0.25/$0.50
Stacks:
UTG ($39.99)
UTG+1 ($101.74)
MP1 ($11.33)
MP2 ($93.68)
CO ($34.28)
Hero ($48.97)
SB ($17.77)
BB ($31.93)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, CO folds, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, BB checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($3.50, 7 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.50

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6.50, 6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $3, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $3, Hero calls $3, SB calls $3, BB calls $3

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($21.50, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks

Results in white below:
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SB has 4s 2c Jd Js (high: Straight 65432|low: 65432)
BB has 3c 9c Ks 8s (high: Straight 98765|low: 87653)
UTG has 9s 6d Ad 5c (high: Straight 98765|low: 87653)
MP1 has 9h 6s 7c Jc (high: Straight 98765|low: 87653)
Hero has 3h 7d 8h 2d (high: Flush 87653|low: 76532)
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[Split Suit]

the only flush calling that u have beat is 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. so why are we betting? ppl will still check/call bets with 9-Q hi flushes. even K hi sometimes (given opponents). we dont have a scoopable hand, and are against 4 other people. take the check, the free information, and any party of the pot if you get it.

IMO...betting here is quite silly and a recipe for disaster as you move up the ladder

[StrikeR300]

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My question is perhaps results oriented ...

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There are to many flat calls that beat you both ways, &amp; there isn't a reraise you "should" call. So IMHO there isn't any value to this bet, if by chance you had the nut low + backdoored low flush then it'd be a good time for a value bet.

[jonkeponke]

Is there any value in putting out a smallish river bet (say $5)to try and string multiple lows into calling? Obviously a higher flush will call, but at this level it seems people will call any low as long as there's a slim hope they can win the pot. You could get 2-3 callers maybe and chop up some of that with the nut low. Not sure if it would be correct, just asking if anyone thinks its a +EV bet in this situation

[redmarion]

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 3h 7d 8h 2d
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, CO folds, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, BB checks.

Flop: 3d 6h 8d ($3.50, 7 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.50

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My comment is not related to the river.

You come in on the button preflop with a piece of cheese. No [A] and suited trash. This is a recipie for loosing. On the flop, your weak low is counterfited &amp; you are playing for half the pot very weak (non-nut str8 draw and bad flush draw.)..

Why would you be putting any money in on this hand?

[JMAnon]

Why on earth would you call that turn bet?

[Phil153]

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You come in on the button preflop with a piece of cheese. No [A] and suited trash. This is a recipie for loosing. On the flop, your weak low is counterfited &amp; you are playing for half the pot very weak (non-nut str8 draw and bad flush draw.)..

Why would you be putting any money in on this hand?

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This man speaks truth. This hand is a piece of cheese and getting counterfited is definately a loosing propersition.

Please post more marion.

[Kuso]

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 3h 7d 8h 2d
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, CO folds, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, BB checks.

Flop: 3d 6h 8d ($3.50, 7 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.50

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My comment is not related to the river.

You come in on the button preflop with a piece of cheese. No [A] and suited trash. This is a recipie for loosing. On the flop, your weak low is counterfited &amp; you are playing for half the pot very weak (non-nut str8 draw and bad flush draw.)..

Why would you be putting any money in on this hand?

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in a loose passive game in which people don't btp without the nuts, i don't see how any of these things can be considered unquestionably inappropriate.

[palamedes]

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 3h 7d 8h 2d
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, CO folds, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, BB checks.

Flop: 3d 6h 8d ($3.50, 7 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.50

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My comment is not related to the river.

You come in on the button preflop with a piece of cheese. No [A] and suited trash. This is a recipie for loosing. On the flop, your weak low is counterfited &amp; you are playing for half the pot very weak (non-nut str8 draw and bad flush draw.)..

Why would you be putting any money in on this hand?

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I agree that calling the turn bet is not a great move, but I do think that entering the pot is not obviously bad. In a loose passive game (and I guess this one is, given the action) 23xx can have reasonable odds, especially if the previous callers are known to call with crap hands. I think that this is especially true in PL, where the money is mostly made post-flop. Unless I have a good read that the prior callers almost surely have an ace, I'll call with this hand. But basically I don't continue unless there's an Ace or a miracle (e.g., 222) on the flop. I would *certainly* never play for the flush (and, to answer OP's question, never bet for value -- or a bluff -- on the river).