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Old 08-11-2006, 08:53 AM
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Default Re: $22: Bubble AQs hand w/flush draw

On Pacific the 66 is definitely in just about everybody's calling range here. They're totally in love with their pocket pairs, even though they'll take awhile to agonize before making the call.

Personally, I'm not so sure I'd fold 66 to an allin here. I've only got about an 8xBB stack, so I'm under a lot of pressure to get some chips soon, so I might just take my chances on what's hopefully a race. There's a much higher chance that I'm up against 2 overs than a higher pair.

I still don't understand why the bubble situation doesn't factor in here. Let's say the chip loser (the UTG player) had only a 1.5xBB stack. Would that change things, or are we still playing to win rather than to cash?
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Old 08-11-2006, 09:13 AM
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Default Re: $22: Bubble AQs hand w/flush draw

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Personally, I'm not so sure I'd fold 66 to an allin here. I've only got about an 8xBB stack, so I'm under a lot of pressure to get some chips soon,

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If you want to be a better player then fold it. I would never knowing put myself in a race on the bubble. Nothing or 20% just isn't worth a coin flip. Pushing is one thing calling a push is quite different.

Think Fold Equity! It's your friend.
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Old 08-11-2006, 10:41 AM
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Default Re: $22: Bubble AQs hand w/flush draw

I see your point, AJ. And finally somebody makes a distinction re: the bubble!

So now if somebody would just tell me what hand(s) they might play differently on the bubble vs. in the money in this spot where I had the AQs. What hands would you consider raising with (all-in or otherwise) in steal position (SB vs BB) on the bubble (vs a tight player) compared to what you'd steal with when already in the money?
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Old 08-11-2006, 11:08 AM
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Default Re: $22: Bubble AQs hand w/flush draw

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So now if somebody would just tell me what hand(s) they might play differently on the bubble vs. in the money in this spot where I had the AQs. What hands would you consider raising with (all-in or otherwise) in steal position (SB vs BB) on the bubble (vs a tight player) compared to what you'd steal with when already in the money?

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With AQs I'm not sure there's much of a difference between bubble/ITM play, it's such a huge hand with 3or4 left and an easy push with a limited amount of BB's left.

As far as hands go, it's not the most important thing on the bubble IMO. You want to be looking at stack sizes, and playing the situation not the cards. You need become a pushbot, this style will grow with playing with SnGPT and getting better at putting your opponents on calling ranges. Then use this board to post hands your not sure about and learn from other players.

No easy answers to bubble play unfortunatly, some times you can stay on the way and let someone get knocked out, other times you need to push, and take a calculated risk. Use the search engine here stick in +" bubble " on this forum and see what you can pick up.
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Old 08-11-2006, 12:22 PM
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Default Re: $22: Bubble AQs hand w/flush draw

Iceblink, there are very few hands I would play differently ITM then the bubble here. However if I were the SB I would fold 66 here, but prestocall ITM.
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Old 08-12-2006, 07:07 AM
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Default Re: $22: Bubble AQs hand w/flush draw

I've heard about SNG Power Tools. I'll def. download it and check it out.

Thanks for the advice.

Alan
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Old 08-11-2006, 09:20 AM
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Default Re: $22: Bubble AQs hand w/flush draw

What are your Preflop options:
1.call
2.weirdo ~2.5x bb raise
3.standard SB raise 3-5xBB
4.push
Option 1: You reasoning seems to be to play concervative in order to cash. So why didn't you just call? If he raises preflop fold. If he checks preflop then bets the flop fold. Those two courses of action seem to best fall in line with you reasoning.
Option 2: The line you took. Are you hoping he calls or folds? If you knew what he had before the flop would that change your answer?
Option 3: Standard preflop raise. The andvantages of this raise involes you moving in after "scary" flops. If the flop came KJ3 rainbow would he have called your push?
Option 4: Push. You have an M around 7 so you are a little desperate. You are only a serious dog to 4 hands AA,KK,QQ,AK. This option puts the most pressure on your opponent and gives him an opportunity to make a mistake.
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Old 08-11-2006, 09:23 AM
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What are your Preflop options:
1.call
2.standard~2.5x bb raise
3. Uneccesarily big raise 3-5 bb's
4.push


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Old 08-11-2006, 09:25 AM
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Default Re: $22: Bubble AQs hand w/flush draw

In SB v BB confrontations if your making it 2.5xbb then your spewing money.
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Old 08-11-2006, 09:37 AM
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Default Re: $22: Bubble AQs hand w/flush draw

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Let's say the chip loser (the UTG player) had only a 1.5xBB stack. Would that change things, or are we still playing to win rather than to cash?

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I don't think it would change the push, since you have the villian covered, in fact I might push ATC in this situation as it is so unlikely the BB will call.

The idea is to take advanage of the bubble, people play tigher because they want to get into the money. Pushing is +EV as usually opponents hand ranges are fairly tight for calling a push and the blinds are worth picking up.
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