double check standard??

[BluffTHIS!]

yves,

The simple answer is that concerning big straight draws, you should be glad to play same headsup against a set even if he likely has couple of your outs (I said big draw and not just oesd), but should be wary of playing same with a 3rd wheel who is likely splitting.

[xorbie]

calling has merits as well, although none of your outs are really disguised so if the turn hits you, it may be tough to get paid.

[youdidwhat]

oops

[Parlay Slow]

[ QUOTE ]
Parlay Slow, I conceded that TT55 is towards the low end of TTxx holdings and substituted a powerful JTT9 hand (better than TT76 as well) in the simulation above. Hero still has 36.6% EV 3-way.

youdidwhat, note that hero also ties 18.02% of the time.

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hero may have 36.6% equity 3-way but getting heads up vs top set is FAR more likely -- in this scenario you are -EV

[christyirish]

I would call

The way I see it, the main reason to raise here is because it will be very difficult for anyone to call the raise with any made hand other than trip tens. If either player has trip eights they may well fold in this spot,(especially the guy in middle position, he has two guys who could have trip tens). For this reason you could win the pot there and then.
(By itself,I don't think the fact that u might have a slight edge over trip tens justifies a raise.)

However, there is a good chance your up against trip tens here or a strong drawing hand and you will get a call. The worst case scenario is the original bettor, MP, has trip tens he calls your re-raise, and then LP has a drawing hand similar to yours and calls for value.

I think calling, (with the intention of calling a push from MP)is the best play because

a) you can get away from it if the turn pairs.

b) MP is unlikely to come over the top here with a drawing hand, so there is less chance you'll get your money in drawing to half the pot.

c) you make it easier for MP to call with a weak made hand.

If I folded this hand, even by accident, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

[John_Manley]

check

[glass_onion]

You are between 43% and 48%. Most likely around 42%, which is clearly -ev given the dead money. More to the point, you can avoid most of this by calling and folding if the turn pairs.

xorbie mentioned you might have trouble getting paid off when you hit your st8, but I do ALL THE TIME.

Imagine you are him playing your TT. Can't fold to every jackoff who MIGHT have hit a st8. Especially if he is so lag.

Seems a clear check/call.


pokenum -o tc td qh ac - qs js 9s 7h -- ts 8c 4d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts 8c 4d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Tc Td Qh 465 56.71 347 42.32 8 0.98 0.572
Qs Js 9s 7h 347 42.32 465 56.71 8 0.98 0.428

[Parlay Slow]

calling def looks better

you see all 5 cards correctly as long as the turn doesn't pair the board and also gives the 3rd guy a way better chance to get in there w/ 88

[glass_onion]

Sorry, some how these got deleted from the origional reply.

pokenum -o tc td qh ac - qs js 9s 7h -- ts 8c 4d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts 8c 4d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Tc Td Qh 465 56.71 347 42.32 8 0.98 0.572
Qs Js 9s 7h 347 42.32 465 56.71 8 0.98 0.428

pokenum -o tc td 9h 7s - qs js 9s 7h -- ts 8c 4d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts 8c 4d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7s Tc Td 9h 438 53.41 298 36.34 84 10.24 0.585
Qs Js 9s 7h 298 36.34 438 53.41 84 10.24 0.415

pokenum -o tc td 2h 3c - qs js 9s 7h -- ts 8c 4d
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts 8c 4d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Tc 3c Td 2h 435 53.05 385 46.95 0 0.00 0.530
Qs Js 9s 7h 385 46.95 435 53.05 0 0.00 0.470

[yvesaint]

anyways i pushed he had TT87 and he held in case anyone cares