Hero is a luckbox...

[Smurph64]

do you remember what you were thinking when you made your preflop raise?

[johnnytt]

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do you remember what you were thinking when you made your preflop raise?

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I think Aaron says it in the first senentence of his post, "I don't want to limp it because the players behind me are too tight and I'm not sure I'll get the action I want. But I don't want to fold such a nice hand against tight players, so I'll raise it!"

[Smurph64]

That is a lot of players to think play too tight. There has to be something else to this scenario that caused Aaron to act. I mean this is almost a game theory raise isn't it? Mix you your play preflop against predictable opponents but that only works if you suspect they are on the ball. I kind of want to get into this a bit more.. it follows the line of Phil Hellmuth's theory of raising low pairs oop.

Let's look at this play vs result. clearly a hand that is playable preflop from early middle position in a tight field.

Clearly a beautiful flop and turn. Considering the hand the MP1 had and the SB had preflop, would Hero jumping to life on the turn have shut down the betting afterwards?

[Aaron W.]

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That is a lot of players to think play too tight. There has to be something else to this scenario that caused Aaron to act. I mean this is almost a game theory raise isn't it? Mix you your play preflop against predictable opponents but that only works if you suspect they are on the ball. I kind of want to get into this a bit more.. it follows the line of Phil Hellmuth's theory of raising low pairs oop.

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This article talks about preflop play against tight players. It's right to be more aggressive against tight players.

I like this play with JTs more than low pairs like 33 because JTs flops more favorable flops than 33. In other words, if I happen to get called by a better hand, there are more ways to recover postflop with JTs than with 33.

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Clearly a beautiful flop and turn. Considering the hand the MP1 had and the SB had preflop, would Hero jumping to life on the turn have shut down the betting afterwards?

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This is similar to the situation with the turn donk AQo hand. You look at the situation and decide the liklihood of villain maintaining the aggression. There's a 4-straight on the board AND it connects to a broadway card. If it were 4567, then there is less fear and villain is more likely to keep betting. But with 9876, villain may freeze up, and I'll lose value.

[drzen]

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That is a lot of players to think play too tight. There has to be something else to this scenario that caused Aaron to act. I mean this is almost a game theory raise isn't it? Mix you your play preflop against predictable opponents but that only works if you suspect they are on the ball. I kind of want to get into this a bit more.. it follows the line of Phil Hellmuth's theory of raising low pairs oop.

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Maybe you'd elaborate on that? I don't think this is a Shania raise.

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Let's look at this play vs result.

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No, let's not. A play is a good play in the situation you make it regardless whether the result is good. Raising AA preflop is not a bad play because someone coldcalls and then makes a set on the flop or sucks out at the river.



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clearly a hand that is playable preflop from early middle position in a tight field.

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Why is that clear? I think you could argue that it is a hand that would be a lot better to play against a loose field.

The idea that you could/should raise it if you fear not getting value because you won't have enough limpers might have merit but that doesn't make it a good hand to play against a tight field. Arguably, you should just fold it. I'm a lot weaker player than Aaron. At a very tight table, I'd be inclined to throw this hand away.

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Clearly a beautiful flop and turn. Considering the hand the MP1 had and the SB had preflop, would Hero jumping to life on the turn have shut down the betting afterwards?

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You cannot think like that. You can bet. If they all fold, that's okay. You win the pot. Likely no one was betting anyway! Your bet is likely to be interpreted as pumping your flush draw or donking whatever else you liked on the flop. Your raise there didn't put MP1 off.

As it turns out, you could possibly have made more by checking and allowing MP1 to bet. But that's looking back from results to play. How often will MP1 have AA here? How often will he have big suited diamonds and not bet?

And just maybe he would have folded AA to a checkraise and you'd have made less by playing it that way (and no more had you checkcalled and then bet out on the river).

[KeysrSoze]

omg, go to the felt

[forum1]

grunch-

what's the read on SB? he's raising a board like that with all the action pf? could he be trapping with a draw of some kind?

the aggression is to your left. how aggressive is MP1? if you're sure MP1 will bet on a coordinated board like this w/ high pp or AK, c/r again.

the pot is also big now and the board is coordinated so maybe a turn bet is best. i'm thinking MP1 may slowdown here a bit.

[Paxosmotic]

I'm sorry, what's the question here? What do I do with the best possible hand at the moment? You put the gas clear through the floor board and don't let up til you find the felt.

[V4P]

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I'm sorry, what's the question here?

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[Absolution]

Besides preflop, I find this entire hand straight forward. It's funny how many replies it got.