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Old 08-07-2006, 12:18 AM
ryanghall ryanghall is offline
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Default ($225) Fold straight on river scare card?

I have never played w/ Villain. This is the 1st hand.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t20, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t20, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t10, Hero checks

Flop: (t80) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t80</font>, UTG calls t80, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>

Turn: (t240) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t240</font>, UTG calls t240

River: (t720) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets t1160 (All-in)</font>, Hero ?
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Old 08-07-2006, 12:24 AM
nuggetz87 nuggetz87 is offline
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Default Re: ($225) Fold straight on river scare card?

i think you have to fold...pretty ridiculous laydown. i guess you could call or fold, but i think folding is better. i mean, i don't think he can shove assume you'd fold an ace, right? you'd potted the flop and the turn, i just can't imagine anything other than a flush. unlikely full house or bluff.
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Old 08-07-2006, 12:39 AM
LongRufus LongRufus is offline
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Default Re: ($225) Fold straight on river scare card?

I think you have to fold. Either that is an unbelievable bluff for that level or you've been outdrawn.

Villain could have been slow-playing a flopped set that boated on the turn, and is pushing in the hopes you were on a flush draw, or they could have made the flush themselves and are hoping you have an ace in your hand. To me, a bet like that on that river card screams a made hand that is hoping for a loose call.
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:03 AM
AnthonyV AnthonyV is offline
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Default Re: ($225) Fold straight on river scare card?

Ryan,

I like the full pot bet on the flop betting into three others, but once you get to the turn HU, I think you can get away with betting say t180 rather than t240, which would bring the pot on the river to t600 instead of t720. I don't know if that would make an enormous difference in villain's bet, but it might make it at least a little easier to get away from.
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Old 08-07-2006, 02:21 AM
bigt439 bigt439 is offline
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Default Re: ($225) Fold straight on river scare card?

i think this would be a terrible river fold.

basic hand reading has got him on an a more often than not.

i also strongly dislike the riv. check.
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:19 AM
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Default Re: ($225) Fold straight on river scare card?

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i think this would be a terrible river fold.

basic hand reading has got him on an a more often than not.

i also strongly dislike the riv. check.

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yeah with the check on the turn i think an A (or worse) pushes more often than not because he isn't afraid of the flush after the way you played the hand, so i think you have to call this- also is first hand of tournament so many donks are still around at any level of play.

-dm
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:24 AM
AmazingErvin AmazingErvin is offline
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Default Re: ($225) Fold straight on river scare card?

That's a nice avatar Nuggetz [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 08-07-2006, 04:22 AM
b33nz b33nz is offline
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Default Re: ($225) Fold straight on river scare card?

i would fold, but EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW... i surely would puke right after folding [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 08-07-2006, 08:43 AM
NevadaKaz NevadaKaz is offline
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Default Re: ($225) Fold straight on river scare card?

I have never played at these stakes, but in the $25 &amp; $50, I would call. I expect to see a rag ace often enough, sometimes a strong ace. I think the flush is unlikey, if we are beat, I would think full house more so than flush.
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