Flop two pair vs. river raise

[nirfdog]

Party 3/6, 10 handed, Villian 1 is loose, passive ; Villian 2 is unknown.
Preflop: 4 limpers to hero is SB who completes w/ Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], BB checks, 6 to the flop:
Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bets, Villian 1(MP) calls, Villian 2(Button) calls. 3 to the turn.
Turn: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bets, Villian 1 calls, Villian 2 calls.
River: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bets, Villian 1 calls, Villian 2 raises, Hero??
I'm getting 11:1 to call not closing the action, is this enough to call?

[Chipspin]

That sucks, but I'm calling there. You're getting 11:1, and with the fish's implied overlay, 12:1.

[The Dude]

I would go for a check-raise on that flop. Most Aces aren't going to raise you (the ones that will usually would raise pf), so you're not going to get in a 3-bet, and if people are going to stick around w/ weak Aces and gutshots you want them to do it for 2 bets.

My first inclination was to call the river, but I actually think this is close to a fold. I don't think I could fold to an unknown here, though. Then again, I play mostly 6max, where I'd never fold this river. Your games, who knows.

[SixForty]

I'd call with the odds you are getting. I'm not too worried about not closing the action, since the player behind you is loose passive and will be call/3betting this river essentially never. Plus since he's loose passive, you are ahead of him most of the time anyway.

I think that you may take this down often enough to warrant the call.

[Warren Harding]

I'd check the flop. Probably, someone in late position will lead and you can CR for protection. CRing an early or middle position bet to trap the field is good too. I'm not worried about this checking through.

I'd probably be stubborn and call the raise. Not only do flushes beat you but so does Aces up. With 11:1, I think the overlay is good enough to bet on this possibly being a bluff or a frisky worse hand. Also, note that the backdoor flush came in, not the clubs; that's encouraging.

I also thought about checking the river. I do not like it because you fail to valuebet hands that would check behind, but call a bet.

[ncboiler]

River is an easy call. I check the flop however and see what happens and check raise any LP bet. If on the flop it is checked around (unlikely) or if an EP player bets I call the bet and then lead the turn on a safe card.