JJ in multiway pot with overcards on flop

[Lunkan]

Table is very loose passive with some rocks.

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (12SB, 6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6BB, 6 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, 2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero folds, SB folds.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8BB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets</font>, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 10BB

Weak?

[kumarshah]

Chances are somebody has atleast a Queen, but I would probably take a stab at it on the flop when checked to me.

[feroder_zb]

Kumarshah is right. This pot is just too big to give it up right away. Since you're on the button I would b/f the flop, and c/f the turn and river. No one is going to SD w/ anything that you beat (even the board 5 paired) and with a board like this it doesn't seem likely that anyone will take a stab at the pot with a missed draw, IMO.

[Christian_Peters]

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Chances are somebody has atleast a Queen, but I would probably take a stab at it on the flop when checked to me.

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I absolutely agree.

But answer a hypothetical for me. If we bet the flop (as we should) and get one caller, and get checked to on the turn, should we bet it again?

I would say yes because we will probably fold any drawing hand or any pair lower than Q - and if we get called, we can take a free showdown.

However, what about taking the free card. If we take the free card, we will probably be bet into on the river - then we call that bet, no?

Assuming we bet the flop, which of these lines is the best?

[MrWookie]

There's no shame in checking this here. You really think everyone is folding? If you're not already beaten, you're racing a lot of draws. I'm perfectly content to take a free card to improve to either a set or perhaps an OESD.

[Christian_Peters]

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There's no shame in checking this here. You really think everyone is folding? If you're not already beaten, you're racing a lot of draws. I'm perfectly content to take a free card to improve to either a set or perhaps an OESD.

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Fair enough. Yeah you probably won't take the pot here. But isn't getting 2 cards to improve for the price of 1SB the way to go. I really don't see a Q or K donking the turn. If you pick up the OESD on the turn, it would be nice to complete it for free, and, of course, a J on the river would be beautiful. Two cards for the price of 1SB What do you think?

[DrModern]

I agree with Wook--check here and see if you pick up something on the turn.