An Interesting Paradox with Suited vs Unsuited

[NewUser2006]

Recently while trying to find out the starting hand ranks for those not listed in HPFAP, I stumbled accross this link http://www.flopturnriver.com/Holdem-...Statistics.php which apparently contains the EVs of starting hands played at PokerRoom (real data). You'll notice that over a HUGE sample, 72o fares about 20% better than its suited counterpart.

What could account for this? Is it that people play the suited ones preflop more often, so preflop is where the most is lost? (that's my guess)

Edit:
Does anyone have a chart that shows the rest of the hands from a theoretical standpoint?

[JohnnyHumongous]

you're right that is interesting, seems that the cause would be that people waaaay overrate suitedness. At all limits you'll see the random person coldcalling 48s but they probably chuck 89 off... they'll defend their blind with T3s etc. etc. Also interesting is how A2o and A3o are two of the biggest losers as well, I imagine because the Ace appeal is similar to suitedness in terms of being overrated.

[Shroomy]

just a guess, but I would say its because of people chassing a flush and either not hitting it or worse, losing to a higher flush.

And lets face it, you shouldnt be playing that hand to begin with so if you do, your post flop play must be poor. but even the fish know to drop the offsuit after the flop if it doesnt hit.

[Abbaddabba]

Because you cant lose anything if you fold preflop.

And people LURRVVV their suited cards.

[slcseas]

The issue with flushes is you usually only get action from another flush. When your high flush card is a 7, I would say you are losing 90% of the time if somebody plays back at you.

As far as the A2 & A3 hands go, you might as well be playing with one card. The board will counterfeit you 9 times out of 10. Again, Aces typically get action from other Aces. In the case of A2 & A3, you will lose 100% of the time. Even when you win, it is such a terrible play it still counts as a loss.

[MATT111]

It has to be because there is not that many people making a mistake by paying to see the flop (+prolly making succesive mistakes postflop) with 72o than with 72s.

[_TKO_]

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Because you cant lose anything if you fold preflop.

And people LURRVVV their suited cards.

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Pretty sure this is the reason.

[badplayer]

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And people LURRVVV their suited cards.

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I sure do!

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
6 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.25BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: 7.25BB