two middle set on coordinated boards hands

[wuwei]

I can't recall any significant reads that I had for these two hands.

Hand 1:

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $15.92
UTG+1: $99
MP1: $75.39
MP2: $139.44
MP3: $99
CO: $94.50
Button: $93.79
Hero: $104.35
BB: $87.10

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($5, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4.75</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to $11</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($38, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 bets $36.1</font>, CO folds, Hero...


Hand 2:

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $275.60
UTG+1: $221.80
MP1: $382
MP2: $57
CO: $301.68
Button: $463
SB: $368.30
Hero: $591.05

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 5 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($12, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $11.4</font>, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($34.8, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $33.1</font>, Hero...

[joewatch]

My suggestion is to never flat call a raise/bet with your sets unless you are planning to bluff the turn or bet a made redraw. Assuming that was your plan -

Hand 1 - fold
Hand 2 - raise

[Diamond Dave]

In hand 1, how about a check raise on the flop? We can dump if 3 bet and getting called should allow us to define villains hand pretty well.

Hand 2, a raise seems pretty good unless villain is uber-tight.

Cheers

DD

[joewatch]

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In hand 1, how about a check raise on the flop? We can dump if 3 bet and getting called should allow us to define villains hand pretty well.

Hand 2, a raise seems pretty good unless villain is uber-tight.

Cheers

DD

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OP didn't ask about the flop play, but I like 3-betting and folding the raise depending on the read. I don't like CR vs. a draw heavy board, but that's me.

[wuwei]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
In hand 1, how about a check raise on the flop? We can dump if 3 bet and getting called should allow us to define villains hand pretty well.

Hand 2, a raise seems pretty good unless villain is uber-tight.

Cheers

DD

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OP didn't ask about the flop play, but I like 3-betting and folding the raise depending on the read. I don't like CR vs. a draw heavy board, but that's me.

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Yah, I can't see a c/r on the first hand - too often I'm out of position looking at an ugly turn trying to figure out what to do in a big pot I've created.

I'm also uneasy about 3 betting that flop. I don't see anyone pushing a draw going away, so I might make a terrible fold if they look to get it all in. If I could pin down a flop 4bet to just KK, then sure.