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Old 07-29-2006, 06:04 PM
chucktaylor chucktaylor is offline
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Default 3/6 JJ with overcards on flop

Villan in this hand appears to be a solid tag. Numbers are 19/7/1.57 over 80 hands or so. Is this standard?

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Pre-flop: (9 players) hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
4 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises</font>, BB calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, 2 folds, hero calls. (with the intention of folding turn UI)
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Old 07-29-2006, 06:08 PM
Haupt_234 Haupt_234 is offline
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Default Re: 3/6 JJ with overcards on flop

With 3 other players and having to act first, I would just check the flop.

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Old 07-29-2006, 06:18 PM
chucktaylor chucktaylor is offline
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Default Re: 3/6 JJ with overcards on flop

If it goes bet, fold, fold, do you then fold the flop?
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Old 07-29-2006, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 JJ with overcards on flop

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If it goes bet, fold, fold, do you then fold the flop?

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Well, you are getting 7 to 1, so you need to evaluate your chances of being ahead or improving. Since he called on in the BB preflop, he could have lots of things, like small PPs, suited connectors, suited broadway, AQ, KJ, etc... His bet after you checked would likely indicate a flush draw, an ace, or a king. Against an Ace or a King (if he doesn't hold the K or Q of clubs), you have up to 4 outs (bd flush, straight, and jacks). Against a flush draw AND an ace or king, you have maybe 2.5 (jacks +backdoor staright). Against just a flush draw, you are ahead but will lose 33% of the time. I might just see the turn, but this pot is medium-small, and I would fold UI.
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Old 07-29-2006, 08:10 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 JJ with overcards on flop

i think it has to be a check and fold if it goes bet/f/f. the post is smallish and you have a few backdoors but little chance of improving.
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Old 07-29-2006, 08:24 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 JJ with overcards on flop

Check and fold to a bet by BB or MP3. If bet by the CO it's a little tougher but a fold is probably still correct. Your outs are often dirty here, you almost have to give credit to someone for an A or K.
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